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rbarreira
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Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« on: Oct 13th, 2010, 8:47am » |
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http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20101013a7.html
Interesting that she was playing against a system that chooses the move by majority vote from 4 different Shogi programs. I don't know how that would work if every one of them chose a different move, there must be something else to it.
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Re: Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« Reply #2 on: Oct 13th, 2010, 11:49am » |
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I couldn't find any info on what hardware was used. Also it seems that the match was just one game. You can't conclude much from just one game. Or maybe this was just the first game of a longer match.
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Re: Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« Reply #3 on: Oct 13th, 2010, 4:18pm » |
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The four programs were: Gekisashi (winner of the last shogi computer championship), GPSShogi (seems to be open source), YSS and Bonanza.
I'm not sure about the hardware yet, but in the computer championship they limit the power usage to 1000 Watts:
http://www.computer-shogi.org/wcsc20/rule_e.html
I don't think they use custom hardware, since I saw some quotes about the unrealized potential of using FPGAs for computer Shogi.
There's a paper about Gekisashi but I haven't found it online:
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200218/000020021802A0583583.php
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Re: Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« Reply #4 on: Nov 2nd, 2011, 8:57pm » |
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Another man vs. machine match has been scheduled:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nc20111102a1.html
The article doesn't make this clear, but I believe Yonenaga waived his exorbitant prize fund demand for this match. That is to say, for years he has prevented man vs. machine matches from taking place against top shogi professionals by insisting that the computer challenger put up a ridiculous amount of money, but he made an exception that a computer could challenge him personally for much less. Or so I infer without hard information.
I rather expect Bonkras to win, and indeed I am rooting for silicon. Normally I automatically root for humanity in all such contests, but I am so miffed at the ban on professionals playing against computers (in hopes of generating huge sponsorship fees) that I hope the plan backfires. I hope the professional shogi association waited too long to start organizing man vs. machine matches, undermining their money-grubbing tactics, and making the hype less than it would have been with a series of matches all the way up the ladder.
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Re: Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« Reply #5 on: Nov 3rd, 2011, 5:56pm » |
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Interesting, thanks for posting the news Fritz.
I wasn't aware that the shogi computer-human games were not happening due to demands for money, I assumed that they simply wanted to avoid embarrassment if a computer happened to win. Apparently I was wrong...
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Re: Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« Reply #6 on: Nov 3rd, 2011, 8:04pm » |
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By the way, I read a different etymology for the computer name Bonkras. The article says, "the computer — whose name was taken from a Japanese manga character and is a spin on the word bonkura, meaning "dim-witted" — ". But someone on the shogi mailing list said that the name was a combination of "Bon" from the program "Bonanza" and "kras" which is the sound of the Japanese word for "cluster" of computers. Just like chess engines started adding "Deep" to their name to indicate running on a cluster, "kras" inidicates this shogi engine runs on a cluster.
Maybe both etymologies are true, and it is a double pun. Or maybe I am just repeating a rumor with no basis in truth. 
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Re: Top female 'shogi' pro falls to computer
« Reply #7 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 1:51am » |
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That's just bonkars.
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