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Endgame Puzzle 1
« on: Mar 28th, 2011, 9:19am »
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Black to play and win.
 
1w Rc1 Cf1  
1b rf7 rg8  
2w pass
 
 
Cut and paste the position into the planning application:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/planGame.cgi
 
Added to arimaa puzzle collection:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/puzzles/show.cgi?p=p59
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Re: Endgame Puzzle 1
« Reply #1 on: Mar 28th, 2011, 9:45am »
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Wow...
 
(sent you a PM)
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 28th, 2011, 10:55am »
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I got it - are we posting the solution here?
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 28th, 2011, 11:01am »
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I think it would be better to post any solutions offsite (for example at pastebin) and link to them here.
 
Here is what I think is the solution (briareus's analysis):
 
http://pastebin.com/hXe4Pd2K
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Re: Endgame Puzzle 1
« Reply #4 on: Mar 28th, 2011, 11:02am »
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I thought I got it, but then I found a defense.  Please don't post the solution here.  May I recommend posting it as a puzzle using the puzzle tool that Omar created?  That allows the answer to be hidden from those who don't want to know, but available to those who want to verify their solution.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 28th, 2011, 12:36pm »
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Sharp agrees with briareus.
 
http://pastebin.com/9w4GD6zN
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Re: Endgame Puzzle 1
« Reply #6 on: Mar 29th, 2011, 11:05am »
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nice Smiley [having read sharp's solution obv ^^] I like the thread title, we're going to get more cute endgame problems it seems.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 29th, 2011, 1:32pm »
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Hmmm... that's not what I got.  Isn't reversing Silver's first two moves a faster way to win?  Or am I missing something obvious?
 
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 29th, 2011, 3:30pm »
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on Mar 29th, 2011, 1:32pm, mistre wrote:
Hmmm... that's not what I got.  Isn't reversing Silver's first two moves a faster way to win?  Or am I missing something obvious?
 

 
All of these puzzles will have only one winning move.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 29th, 2011, 5:13pm »
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Spoiler for mistre:
 
http://pastebin.com/cSNgfjr0
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 29th, 2011, 10:27pm »
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on Mar 29th, 2011, 5:13pm, lightvector wrote:
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http://pastebin.com/cSNgfjr0

 
Ok, I get it now.  I didn't see that 3g.  The other 3g I was looking at was a goal for Silver in 4.
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Re: Endgame Puzzle 1
« Reply #11 on: Mar 30th, 2011, 12:22am »
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on Mar 29th, 2011, 1:32pm, mistre wrote:
Hmmm... that's not what I got.  Isn't reversing Silver's first two moves a faster way to win?  Or am I missing something obvious?
 

 
What do you mean by "reversing"?
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 30th, 2011, 7:17am »
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on Mar 30th, 2011, 12:22am, Eltripas wrote:

 
What do you mean by "reversing"?

 
What I meant was that if silver played its first two moves in reverse order (the same two moves), then it would have a quicker goal.  But I had the wrong 3g response from Gold for that to work.
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Re: Endgame Puzzle 1
« Reply #13 on: Mar 30th, 2011, 2:38pm »
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Thanks, jdb, for a nice puzzle.  I finally got around to solving it.  Thanks all for holding off on posting the solution.  It is trickier than it appears; the solution is critically affected by the presence of the traps squares.  It is easy for me to forget that trap ownership is irrelevant; indeed it is Gold's home trap that prevents him from properly defending the winning move.
 
To clarify for anyone who might be confused by mistre's posts: at first I also thought his move would win, but it loses (as opposed to winning more slowly than the true solution, as one might infer from his posts.)
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Re: Endgame Puzzle 1
« Reply #14 on: Mar 31st, 2011, 9:38am »
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Wow, 4s is like a second key move.  I totally didn't see that further trickeration would be necessary to bring home the win.  Thanks, jdb, for adding the puzzle to the collection, along with the entire solution!
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