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(Message started by: warren on Dec 24th, 2008, 4:40pm)
Title: Move 3
Post by warren on Dec 24th, 2008, 4:40pm
And he plays:

2s ee7s ee6s de8s hb7s


on 12/11/08 at 18:01:00, warren wrote:
Here's the continuation if things go analogously to game 83795 but with C&G's corrected 4w:

2w Ed2n Ed3n Ed4n Hb2n
2b hb7s ee7s ee6s de8s
3w Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Ha5n
3b ee5s ee4w rh7s rh8s
4w Dd1n Ha6s ra7s Ed5w

Fritzlein played that 2b so we could continue that line and play

3w Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Ha5n

A less committing possibility is

3w Hb3n Hg2n Dd1n Dd2n
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Soter on Dec 26th, 2008, 11:44am
Not much reaction to your post yet, Warren - Christmas is a likely culprit. ;-)


Quote:
Fritzlein played that 2b so we could continue that line and play  

3w Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Ha5n

What do we do after 3b ee5s ee4s ra7e xxxx?


Quote:
A less committing possibility is

3w Hb3n Hg2n Dd1n Dd2n

Now I can't predict the possible answer of this - I never excelled in the opening phase - but maybe 3b hb6 -> a3 ( preparing to pull our rabbit) or 3b mg7s mg6s cg8s cg7s ( or with h-file rabbit instead of cat )?
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by chessandgo on Dec 27th, 2008, 3:43am
ok, so as forecast we're not playing the E to g6 plan now. Remains the H to a6 one, I can't see anything else than 3w H to a6.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by arimaa_master on Dec 27th, 2008, 6:47am
I support 3w Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Ha5n, too.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Gerenuk on Dec 27th, 2008, 2:32pm
I'm asking out of interest and I hope the question is not too stupid  ;D

What would we do if, after H->a6,  he pulls our camel retreating with his elephant to d3 (threatening the cat or a camel push)?
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Bildstein on Dec 27th, 2008, 6:34pm
Rabbit to b3, and pull his rabbit with our horse? Or is there some way he can stop us protecting our camel with our elephant?
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 29th, 2008, 2:35pm

on 12/27/08 at 14:32:41, Gerenuk wrote:
I'm asking out of interest and I hope the question is not too stupid  ;D

What would we do if, after H->a6,  he pulls our camel retreating with his elephant to d3 (threatening the cat or a camel push)?


This response looks playable to me.  I think the best we end up with is an equal position, but at the loss of initiative.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by jdb on Dec 29th, 2008, 4:40pm
Finally had some time to look at this.

H->a6 is a decent move, but it commits to a plan that I think is faulty, as discussed on the previous move.

How about playing a developing move? Gold's elephant is on d5, so silver's elephant needs to stay on e5 to block gold's access to the wing camel.

Something like

3g Hg2n Dg1n Me2n Dd1n

At some point, the dog on g1 needs to be put in play. It is too strong a piece to have it tucked away on g1 for long.

Advancing the camel to e3 takes away silver's h->a3 dash.

Dd1n prevents the camel from being frozen on d3, but something else could likely be substituted for this step.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by NIC1138 on Dec 29th, 2008, 10:25pm
Hi folks.

While I do respect the activity of rabbit-pulling, I always like to think of alternatives first... I like jdb's suggestion of a more "developing" move.

What about Me2n Me2w Dd1n Ed5n? We start moving one dog ahead, leave the camel in a more useful position (closer to the opponent's horses) and the Elephant forces some kind of reaction.

We can also surround c6 with either E-H or perhaps E-C.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by chessandgo on Dec 30th, 2008, 3:48am
after 3w H to a6 3b e to d3 M to e3 we can play for instance 4w Dd1n Re1w Cf2w Hg2w and then 4b h to b3 fails to 5w M to c4 E to c5.

If we don't like silver's 3b, we can also play 3w H to a5 Me2w.

I'm not fond of paying a "developping move" in general, I feel losing time is the worst thing that can happen in an opening.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 30th, 2008, 4:51am

on 12/30/08 at 03:48:58, chessandgo wrote:
after 3w H to a6 3b e to d3 M to e3 we can play for instance 4w Dd1n Re1w Cf2w Hg2w and then 4b h to b3 fails to 5w M to c4 E to c5.


After the 4g above I don't like 4s Me3n ed3e Me4n ee3n and our M is a target for a while.


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If we don't like silver's 3b, we can also play 3w H to a5 Me2w.


I like this much better.  Our M is not a real target anymore and we still keep initiative with the H on a5.  The west side silver rabbits now look like pull targets to me.  The b6 horse can't block or we put our H on b6.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 30th, 2008, 12:01pm
We are about to go into our reserve.  That's OK considering everybody is having fun elsewhere, except for Harry at the Dursley's.  Maybe we should start voting Wednesday and close voting Friday.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by NIC1138 on Dec 30th, 2008, 7:06pm
I was going to propose voting precisely in the turning of the year (in a timezone of choice), but then I realized that this will be tomorrow! :)

Happy new year, everybody!... I wish you a challenging year in what relate to games, and easy otherwise.  ;D
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Adanac on Jan 1st, 2009, 8:43am
I'm looking at move 3 for the first time since the Christmas holidays.  It's too bad the holidays cut our analysis short but the move #4 discussion should be pretty lively.

If Fritzlein is planning to play aggressively in this game, he'll soon move his Elephant to e3, Camel to g3 and Horse to b3.  It's too early for Fritz to execute a plan like that, especially with our camel still mobile in the middle.  I think we can safely play H->a6 or H->a5, M->d2 at this time.  H->b5, D->d3 looks like an interesting way to prevent the Camel pull to e3 but unfortunately, it didn't seem to generate much excitement in the discussion.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by RonWeasley on Jan 2nd, 2009, 1:43pm
The winner is H->a5, M->d2.  I'm short on time, so I'd be grateful if someone could post the vote details.  Or I will do it later.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Janzert on Jan 2nd, 2009, 3:08pm
1. Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Me2w (H->a5, M->d2)-88911
2. Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Ha5n (H->a6)5-9911
3. Hb3n Hb4n Dd1n Dd2n (H->b5, D->d3)43-67
4. Hg2n Dg1n Me2n Dd1n (H->g3, D->g2, M->e3, D->d2)325-7
5. Me2n Me3w Dd1n Ed5n (M->d3, D->d2, E->d6)2144-
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Bildstein on Jan 2nd, 2009, 3:19pm
Here's the results. I think the interpretation is that the numbers show how many people preferred the row option to the column option. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Options:
1. Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Me2w (H->a5, M->d2)
2. Hb3n Hb4n Hb5w Ha5n (H->a6)
3. Hb3n Hb4n Dd1n Dd2n (H->b5, D->d3)
4. Hg2n Dg1n Me2n Dd1n (H->g3, D->g2, M->e3, D->d2)
5. Me2n Me3w Dd1n Ed5n (M->d3, D->d2, E->d6)

Results:
1.2.3.4.5.
1.-88911
2.5-9911
3.43-67
4.325-7
5.2144-
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Bildstein on Jan 2nd, 2009, 3:33pm
I don't understand M->d2. Was our camel under so much threat?
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by Adanac on Jan 3rd, 2009, 5:57am

on 01/02/09 at 15:33:17, Bildstein wrote:
I don't understand M->d2. Was our camel under so much threat?


There was no long-term threat to the camel, but it will be more powerful in the west with both silver horses on that side.  And if Fritz ever launches an Elephant + Camel attack in the southeast we'll definitely want our own Camel away from that quadrant.
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by chessandgo on Jan 4th, 2009, 6:21am

on 01/03/09 at 05:57:11, Adanac wrote:
There was no long-term threat to the camel, but it will be more powerful in the west with both silver horses on that side.  And if Fritz ever launches an Elephant + Camel attack in the southeast we'll definitely want our own Camel away from that quadrant.



This. M to d2 had definitelylittle to do with a threat on the caMel but rather with the fact that e to d3 M to e3 would have made us lose steps (which is not clear, the question is whether we might have moved from e3 to the western wing through d4 with the help of our Ed5) as we want our caMel on the western side quite soon. I would actually never play such a step, for fear of losing time while Ha5n seemed more pressing, but maybe it was the best move :)

I don't really see how m to g3 e to e/d3 h to b3 can be ever played, unless our pieces get seriously misplaced. Also didn't H to b5 D to d3 partially block the way of our M towards the western wing and make us lose steps later?
Title: Re: Move 3
Post by chessandgo on Jan 4th, 2009, 6:23am

on 12/30/08 at 19:06:46, NIC1138 wrote:
Happy new year, everybody!... I wish you a challenging year in what relate to games, and easy otherwise.  ;D


Happy new year, Nic :) Best wishes arimaa-wise to everyone :)


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