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Title: 2015 Move 22g Post by deep_blue on May 5th, 2016, 9:05am Sharp played 21s dc6n mb6e ra6e ra7s: http://arimaa.com/arimaa/notconv/old/boardimg.php?orient=n&size=300&imgtype=jpeg&ranks=rHrr/1Mdc1r/rrm3cr/REhDd1Rr/2Re2h/6H/1RRCDCR/5R1R |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by aaaa on May 5th, 2016, 9:18am Maybe it's time to resign before this turns into a mockery. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hufflepup on May 5th, 2016, 5:05pm What about 22g: Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n ? Pulling the rabbit forward is somewhat risky, but we can't allow both our camel and horse to be trapped in the north west doing nothing other than pinning some minor pieces down. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by half_integer on May 5th, 2016, 7:51pm I agree, the first three steps seem like the natural move. It keeps our camel in play. There may be other options for the fourth step though. I think if we pull the rabbit with the idea of threatening it, we'll probably need to block a4 later; so moving a piece in that direction may be useful. Or is something like Ec4 Rb4 the desired follow-up? (E or H):.Dd6 M:.De6 seems like a fine basic response from silver. Using the elephant moves to threaten our camel. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hippo on May 6th, 2016, 3:29am I am bit afraid of rb5 as well as of Eb4 Rc4 formation. Here are two other moves to think about ... A) Spending full turn by achieving Rc2, Rb3, Rb4 does not look much better. B) I have tought about Rc2 sac to move Rb4 Ec5 hc4. Silver slowly gains full dog advantage with position without problems. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hufflepup on May 6th, 2016, 4:53pm Quote:
In this case 23g: Mb6n ra6e Ra5n Ra6n Looks like an interesting response. Quote:
I would ddesire something like this if silver allowed it. Unfortunately silver will probably play something like 22s: Rc4s ed4w dc7w cd7w or 22s: Rc4s ed4w de5s de4w which would shut down this possibility. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by half_integer on May 6th, 2016, 5:20pm I think we're in agreement on all points there Hufflepup. Your first response advances a rabbit but I don't see a way for us to ever score with it, though it would tie up pieces. I don't think either of Hippo's moves are better. A) nearly blockades our own elephant, and B) doesn't really threaten anything as the horse can still escape too easily. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hippo on May 7th, 2016, 1:55pm on 05/06/16 at 17:20:44, half_integer wrote:
It seems to me Rb4 blocks phant much less than Rc4. And I think we want to block b6 rabbit before leaving with our phant. But OK with De6 hd5 ec5 response our position would look really bad. ... OK I cannot see fine move |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hufflepup on May 7th, 2016, 6:36pm Quote:
I agree, that b6 rabbit is a problem. Unfortunately I cant see any way we could plausibly rotate the elephant out after my proposed move of 22g: Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n . 22g: De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w might be better to bring the cat across first, but 22s: Rc4w ed4w de5s de4w 23g: Cc3w Rb4w Eb5s Ra5e still leaves us in abit of an awkward position. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Lion on May 7th, 2016, 11:12pm We got to make Browni look at the position. We may need a miracle tactical solution, a la Game 4 of AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol match, and browni is our best bet toward this end. I'll start pressuring him in the chat. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hippo on May 8th, 2016, 4:01am on 05/07/16 at 18:36:41, Hufflepup wrote:
I was also thinking about De3 Cc3 x, but silver has at least Dd6 hd5 Rc5 ec4 as reply. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by browni3141 on May 8th, 2016, 3:40pm I'm not seeing any way to save our dog or to generate any meaningful counterplay. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by deep_blue on May 10th, 2016, 9:06am So far choices: 22g Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n (anyone still wants that?) 22g Rc2n Rc4w Rc3x hc5s Eb5e (if I interpret Hippo's move correctly) 22g De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w resign Anything to add to those? |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hippo on May 10th, 2016, 10:27am on 05/10/16 at 09:06:14, deep_blue wrote:
There was 22g De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w proposal as well |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hippo on May 12th, 2016, 6:10am on 05/10/16 at 09:06:14, deep_blue wrote:
?? Here were 4 options, you have asked if there should be some more options, I have answered there was 5th and in the poll there are just 3. Oh stupid me ... I have added move already included ... The move what was missing was 22g Rb2n Rb3e Rc4w Rc3w Never mind ... I am missing the resign option ... |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by deep_blue on May 12th, 2016, 1:18pm on 05/12/16 at 06:10:45, Hippo wrote:
Oh, sorry I didn't include the move. I only saw you mentioned a move already in. I think I kept your one out because you yourself mentioned it doesn't look better (back then). As for resigning, yeah that one is not there. I decided that we should keep going as long as people are still discussing. (though that might be the wrong way now that I think of it: if noone discusses noone will mention resigning; dunno, if anyone wants to resign post here) |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hippo on May 12th, 2016, 1:29pm OK, I vote for resign. And I consider all remaining options equal ... and I am not voting in the poll. ... that does not meen I would not continue discussing our options if the resing will be overvoted :). |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by half_integer on May 12th, 2016, 8:44pm As far as resigning, speaking generally and not based on the position, I think we should resign if we get to the point where enthusiasm for the discussion wanes and we feel that we're not getting the best moves due to lack of Mob participation, or that no hope for a win is expressed and we feel we'll just be delaying loss as long as possible. Given the investment in this type of game, I think that is only respectful to lightvector's time. It also has the benefit that we can do the post-game analysis and discussion with lightvector sooner rather than later, while there is still more interest in the game. Just my opinion. I myself will have less time to spend on the game for a while. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by deep_blue on May 12th, 2016, 11:20pm As for interest waining and mob not finding best moves, I have the feeling that this already happened long ago... I'll ask the question differently: Who *truly* feels like we should play on? |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by Hufflepup on May 15th, 2016, 3:32am Normally I'm in the no resign camp, having said that with only 3 votes in the last poll we are barely a mob any more, and I don't think anyones been able to find any good moves since we abandoned the horse frame. Against a player of cyborg_Sharps skill this is clearly a lost position, so I don't mind resigning if everyone else feels the same way. |
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Title: Re: 2015 Move 22g Post by deep_blue on May 16th, 2016, 5:48am I ended the poll, the Mob resigned. Thanks for all who participated, unfortunately it were getting fewer and fewer towards the end so this is the logical conclusion. |
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