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Title: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 15th, 2004, 10:09am Toby and I were chatting and we thought it might be interesting to have a US vs EU match between the top rated Arimaa players. Maybe something like 3 players from US and 3 from EU with each player playing 2 games against each of the players in the other team (6 games in all). We were thinking 8pm Europe time which would be 4pm US time on either Saturday or Sunday might work for most people. This would be a good warm up for the upcoming championship games in November. If you have a rating above 1700 and would like to particapate, please let me know. Thanks. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 15th, 2004, 10:15am I forgot to mention. Not all 6 games would be played in one day. Maybe we can break it up and play just 1 or 2 games per week. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by naveed on Sep 15th, 2004, 6:24pm Interesting. Willing to participate. Naveed |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Sep 15th, 2004, 9:50pm I think it's a great idea, and I am available to play for the U.S. However, qualifying for the team shouldn't be by rating only. My rating is earned only from playing bots, and I don't know how to play against humans at all. Both naveed and bleitner (and possibly others) would represent the U.S. better than I. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Sep 16th, 2004, 4:51am You'd better start practising against us humans then :-) |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 16th, 2004, 3:25pm If there are more than 3 players from each country willing to play then maybe we can have some knock out games among the lower rated players to see who makes the team. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by clauchau on Sep 17th, 2004, 2:42am That's an idea. I'll pass though 8). I can't commit myself to be present enough. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Sep 17th, 2004, 4:07am Can you send quantum leapfrog as a replacement please? Otherwise we won't have enough EUers :-). |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 17th, 2004, 7:48pm Hey Claude, We are trying to make the game so a bit faster so that people don't have to make too much of a time commitment. We need you to play. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by clauchau on Sep 18th, 2004, 1:00pm I'll try to slip in a few fast games then :) |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 19th, 2004, 5:28am We were thinking of using a fairly brisk time control like: 60s/60s/100/3m/3 So I think most games will finish within 2 hours or less and will definitely not go for more than 3 hours. We were thinking of one game per week either on Saturday of Sunday starting at about 3pm Paris time. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 19th, 2004, 4:07pm I am interested, and even flattered by Fritzlein's comment, but likewise my rating is mostly based on playing against bots, and even then I've never managed to beat Bomb or Speedy. Still, it could be fun. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 20th, 2004, 5:17pm How about some knockout games between naveed, bleitner and RonWeasly to see who will be the 3rd player on the US team. I suggest using a 1 minute per move time control. Try to schedual the games among yourselfs and post the time here so we can come to watch. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Sep 20th, 2004, 5:23pm Naveed and bleitner could play tonight if Naveed is not too dead after his game with Belbo. I notice both are on at the same time, which is unusual as far as I know. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 20th, 2004, 5:34pm My schedule, for the moment, is pretty open. Anytime in the afternoon works for me. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Sep 20th, 2004, 7:28pm School just got going and hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm no longer sure I'm available, even on Sundays. Anyway omar, naveed, and bleitner can play round one for the U.S. if nobody else says they want to. Next week I can re-evaluate my schedule. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by RonWeasley on Sep 21st, 2004, 11:31am I'd like to endorse the US team of Omar, naveed, and bot_leitner (the way I always interpret his call sign). These guys have quality wins against humans and bots. My rating is artificially high due to having only time enough for 'zilla. Putting me in would be like putting Longbottom in as a beater for Griffindor. Or like Bill Murray in for the Ryder Cup. I'll watch. Ron |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 21st, 2004, 12:25pm LOL, actually, the "b" is my first initial. Anyway, I don't know about having quality wins against humans, but I do like a challenge. Count me in, just let me know the time. -Ben |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 23rd, 2004, 4:20am So it looks like the teams are going to be: EU: 99of9, Belbo, Clauchau US: Bleitner, Naveed, Omar That should be in interesting match. How about having the first round this Saturday at 4pm Paris time. Is that OK with everyone? Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by clauchau on Sep 23rd, 2004, 6:40am It's really hard for me to commit (I lack sleep - troubles with a constantly noisy neighbour). |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Sep 23rd, 2004, 8:14am Let's just all aim for that time. The more people there, the more games can get played. Those who don't match up can probably organise meetings later in the week/weekend? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 23rd, 2004, 12:57pm Well... this Saturday doesn't work for me at all. It's Yom Kippur, so I have the pleasure (yeah... that's it ... pleasure) of being in synagogue all day. Sunday could work though, or Monday during the day. I also think my evenings will be free Tuesday-Thursday. -Ben |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 23rd, 2004, 1:11pm By the way... as far as putting me on the team... you guys did notice that I just got my @$$ handed to me twice in a row by Firsttry a few days ago, right? Granted, I have a bit of an excuse but... well... we'll see what happens. It should be fun. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by naveed on Sep 23rd, 2004, 3:24pm I don't think I can make it this weekend. Would suggest to have it started next week. Naveed |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Belbo on Sep 23rd, 2004, 4:40pm This weekend is fine for me, both Saturday and Sunday. Monday or Tuesday is ok too. For itīs a fast game, I could start between 2pm and 11pm Paris time. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Sep 23rd, 2004, 4:53pm Looks like it would be Europe vs Omar if we start this weekend! Although that's probably a fair match ... maybe it's better to start later? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by maker on Sep 23rd, 2004, 6:21pm I'd love to watch the matches, though I'm not sure how? Anyway. I'll be there next week if someone tells me how to watch active games, and tells me(I could look it up...) what exactly the transfer between 4pm Paris and Xpm Central US time is... Thanks, maker :) |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 23rd, 2004, 8:40pm Looking at my schedule for the next few weeks, unformed as it is, it really looks like weekends are horrid times to try and schedule games, although next Saturday night (Pacific coast time) might be a possibility. I'll know more later. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 24th, 2004, 10:28pm on 09/23/04 at 18:21:32, maker wrote:
To watch a live match just click on 'Current Games' and then click on the board to watch the game. I think the difference between CST and Paris time is about 6 hours. You can also check it using the clock on the top left corner of the gameroom window. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 24th, 2004, 10:37pm Maybe we better take a different approach to this. Doesn't seem like we will be able to get everybody together at the same time. So how about if we match up the players and let the two players workout a time to play and post it. If possible the others can come and watch. Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by maker on Sep 25th, 2004, 3:05pm Good idea. maker |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 26th, 2004, 1:40pm Agreed... it'll be a lot easier for two people to find a time to play than to find a set time for everyone. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 27th, 2004, 4:24pm I'm really thinking Fritzlein should be on the US team instead of me. I've been playing like crap lately, and his rating is far above mine, be it mostly against bots or not. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Sep 27th, 2004, 6:36pm I've setup a page for the EU vs US match. http://arimaa.com/arimaa/wcup/2004/ Omar |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Sep 27th, 2004, 11:11pm on 09/27/04 at 16:24:02, bleitner wrote:
School makes my availability really unpredictable, but the discussion is making it clear that everyone has scheduling issues, and maybe mine are no worse than the next guy's. Furthermore it's clear that I can't stay away from Arimaa even when I really don't have the time for it. In the Ryder Cup the captain doesn't have to play exactly the same people in each round: team members can substitute in and out. For example I could play in the even-numbered rounds and you could play the odd-numbered rounds. That way we'd each play the EU representatives once each. How does that sound? Would it be cool with you, Omar? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 28th, 2004, 7:07pm <shrug> I guess if the format will allow it, then we can alternate if you want. I just don't actually think I'm qualified, and if this is really going to be a "world cup" of Arimaa, then the US should put it's best players forward. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Sep 29th, 2004, 7:31am You never know what will happen in the games. In my last game naveed was pounding me and I was totally lucky to escape. The ratings just aren't very accurate -- I know that I'm not 200 points better than naveed head to head, it's just that I was beating speedy when he was losing to speedy to create the rating difference. And anyway you are rated higher than naveed! I haven't looked at many of your games, but I'll bet you are indeed as "qualified" as I am. Let's each play three (if it's OK with omar). You may well win more than I do! |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Sep 30th, 2004, 5:43pm Thanks for the confidence booster :) If it's alright with Omar I'm up for it. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Oct 3rd, 2004, 6:10pm I'm on a conference until thursday night this week, so I hope my next game is not scheduled before then. C'mon EUers... we've got some ground to make up this week! |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by clauchau on Oct 4th, 2004, 11:18am I'm sorry, I said I'll play but I cowardly quit the tournament :-[. I think I won't play in the 2005 championship either. I lack imagination against the current strategies. And it's too much of a commitment for me. That is, compared to my unscheduled days spent musing :P. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Oct 5th, 2004, 3:12am Allowing players to switch in and out for some games sound OK to me. Just let me know which rounds you can play. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Oct 5th, 2004, 3:31am on 10/04/04 at 11:18:53, clauchau wrote:
Im really sorry to hear that you won't be able to play. But please don't stop because the current strategies are too difficult to win against. Im sure other strategies will soon develop which can defeat the current strategies. It will be interesting to see what they are. Just don't spend too much time on them on your unscheduled days. We are trying to do all we can to minimize the amount of commitment needed to play in the match. I am willing to do more if needed, just let me know. Maybe you can switch in and out of some games with another player so that you don't have to play all the games. I hope you will reconsider. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Oct 5th, 2004, 10:17am It would be a shame to have to cancel the tournament. Can someone find out if CeeJay or BlackKnight is interested in substituting in for some rounds? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by naveed on Oct 7th, 2004, 9:01am Toby, I was wondering if we can reschedule our match to start 4 hours later than the scheduled time. Please let me know. Naveed |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Oct 7th, 2004, 2:21pm on 10/07/04 at 09:01:40, naveed wrote:
Sorry, I'll be at church at that time. I can do 6 hours later if you can and Omar can alter it for us. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Oct 8th, 2004, 2:00pm I've rescheduled it to Sunday at 4pm instead of 10am. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Oct 8th, 2004, 3:12pm Thanks Omar. I presume that's ok by you Naveed? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Oct 8th, 2004, 3:45pm What's going on? My game was supposed to be last night, but Claude wasn't there (which wasn't really a surprise since he said he'd be too busy), but now the game is back and I got an email to show up on Thr at 11, which already passed... so... what do I do? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Oct 8th, 2004, 6:23pm I always saw it being at Fri at 2pm Eastern time. Not sure why you saw it on Thursday. Double check to make sure that the time zone on your computer is set right. The YLT (your local time) times are based on it. Well I guess we will just have to throw out that game since Claude was not able to play. I have not heard from Claude about which rounds he would be able to play in, so for now I will just assume that he will not be able to play in the next round. I will check if BlackNight or CeeJay would like to play. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Oct 8th, 2004, 6:32pm Ooops my mistake. The game was supposed to be Fri 2 am. Maybe Claude did stop by and didn't see the game either. Sorry about that. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Oct 8th, 2004, 6:35pm I don't think there was any mistake. Claude said he couldn't play this comp after all. The game was for 7am Friday morning my time, which agrees with both the times you guys saw. Maybe the game reappeared when you altered the time of my game with Naveed? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by clauchau on Oct 9th, 2004, 6:17am That must be it. Yes, the game was twice announced for Fri 8am France time - days before and some hours after. I hadn't filled in the preferred times this week and I keep wanting to be out. I'm not sure I would have resolved on playing if I had happened to be up at that time, but I had to sleep anyway. Sorry. Good continuation fellows! |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by bleitner on Oct 12th, 2004, 4:33pm I'm not going to be able to play this weekend. Fritzlein, are you available to sub? Does that even work? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Oct 12th, 2004, 9:16pm Sure, I'm in for the weekend. Can you play the weekend after, though? I've got a family event that may complicate scheduling. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Oct 13th, 2004, 8:44am Is the time for the game between Blackknight and Naveed definitely correct? It starts at 3am my time, which is even worse for continental Europeans. Are you sure you can make that time Blackknight? I guess being a night-owl does tend to go well with your name. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by BlackKnight on Oct 15th, 2004, 5:53am Thanks for your concerns, it's correct. I'm in Shanghai at the moment and so it will be Sunday morning at 10am for me. I'm more worried about the internet connection. There are still many things to do here in China. Two hours ago I tried to log on already but I couldn't open any window. And the day before yesterday I wanted to log on but I couldn't connect to the internet at all. Sorry Naveed, that I couldn't play with you at that time then. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Oct 17th, 2004, 5:26pm I'm going to have to rule myself out for Round 4, and not just because I'm scared of 99of9. Midterms are coming up, and I have an event to attend that weekend. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Oct 30th, 2004, 9:32am For round 6 bleitner will play again, right? Just making sure we're still alternating rounds... |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by BlackKnight on Oct 31st, 2004, 9:46am Sorry, I won't be able to play this week (end). But participating was a very good experience. Thanks! Gerhard |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Nov 1st, 2004, 5:36am Clauchau are you up for a finale against Naveed? |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Nov 1st, 2004, 4:45pm I checked with Claude and he is in the middle of moving between homes and won't be able to make it. So I guess we will just have to drop one of the games; unless someone else want to sub or play a second game. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Fritzlein on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:42pm Did you notice that today CeeJay played his first game in months? Maybe he would be interested. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Belbo on Nov 2nd, 2004, 5:35pm When I view the pairing for my game aginst bleitner, it's shown as Wed 8 pm. But in the email I got the time is 9 pm. In the gameroom and here in the forum my local time is shown as 11:30 pm, but it's already 0:30 am here. Maybe this is because the summer time (daylight saving time) ended here last weekend (the clock was turned back 1 hour)? Anyway, I will be here tomorrow at 8 pm, and if the game starts 1 hour later, it's no problem too. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:00pm When you login to the Arimaa gameroom, make sure that the clock on the top left corner is showing the correct time. If it is not then the time zone of your computer may need to be adjusted. After adjusting the time zone, you will need to logout and log back in to have the clock in the gameroom pick up the new time zone. Let me know if this fixes it. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Belbo on Nov 3rd, 2004, 10:50am Thanks Omar, yes I needed to adjust the time zone on my computer. Now the time in the gameroom is shown correctly, but here in the forum it's still 1 hour differnce. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by omar on Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:06pm What happend with the bleitner vs Belbo game that was supposed to be today at 3pm. I had a pretty busy day today and was not able to be online at that time. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by 99of9 on Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:26pm Belbo said that bleitner just wasn't able to play today. I'm not sure if they are rescheduling. |
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Title: Re: US vs EU match Post by Belbo on Nov 4th, 2004, 6:05pm Iīm not sure if I could play on Friday or Sunday, but I could play on Saturday. Sorry, Benjamin, I have problems with the chat-function with my new computer, I didnīt want to be impolite by just saying "no problem", I just couldnīt type anymore :-( |
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