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(Message started by: Swynndla on Apr 9th, 2006, 9:48pm)
Title: Most number of games played?
Post by Swynndla on Apr 9th, 2006, 9:48pm
So who has played the most number of games (on this site)?
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by PMertens on Apr 10th, 2006, 6:05am
Those are our top-rated humans:

Fritzl                       799      
Adanac                   550
robinson                 353      << Worldchamp
99of9                      493
Ryan_Cable            661
PMertens                 971
Mouse                     187
Arimanator              1345
blue22                     556
OLTI                         316
Ron Weasley            127
Omar                        766
Naveed                    1121
Belbo                        895
Thorin                       55
bleitner                     324
BlackKnight               199
megamau                  370
     
in comparison a few bots:

bot_bomb2005_fast       780
bot_bomb2005_blitz      1323
bot_Arimaanator            2165
bot_Arimaazilla              4819
bot_ShallowBlue            6325


I am pretty sure there can be even more interesting datamining ... if I only had a database ...
This data was collected manually ...
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 10th, 2006, 10:31am
Based on my database (two weeks out of date?) these are the players who have the most rated games against human opponents:

232      PMertens
214      naveed
200      99of9
195      robinson
171      Fritzlein
118      Belbo
111      omar
110      jdb
91      Ryan_Cable
80      Adanac
67      Arimanator
65      blue22
60      OLTI
57      kamikazeking
52      Paul
43      clauchau
41      megamau

I think this may be the most important number to count, because HvH games are the ones that spread strategic knowledge around the community.  Haizhi has played 534 rated games, but only 14 against human opponents.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing the same bot over and over and over, but it usually doesn't advance the state of the art in the same way it does to play a variety of human opponents.
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by PMertens on Apr 10th, 2006, 11:07am

Quote:
Not that there is anything wrong with playing the same bot over and over and over, but it usually doesn't advance the state of the art in the same way it does to play a variety of human opponents.


and we got proof:

Fritzl                      799              171            21%
Adanac                    550            80            15%
robinson             353            195            55%      
99of9                       493            200            41%
Ryan_Cable      661            91            14%
PMertens    971            232            24%
Arimanator      1345          67            5%
blue22                    556            65            12%
OLTI                      316            60            19%
Omar                      766            111            14%
Naveed                  1121          214            19%
Belbo                      895            118            13%
megamau           370            41            11%



Robinson and 99of9 are certainly very focussed on HvH-Games and we know just how good they can play ;-)
Unfortunately Fritzl and Adanac are also quite good ... even without playing so many humans ... ???

And I just play alot and learn so little ....   :-/

and putting tables in here is not funny ;-)
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by Arimanator on Apr 10th, 2006, 11:19am
Based on these statistics I am the worst player there is. Even though I haven't played for several months I am still the top player on number of games and the worst player on H-H games. Most of my games are botched and filled with stupid mistakes and even now I lose against the weakest bots.

I am the antithesis of Arimaa's Ideal player.  :-/
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 10th, 2006, 12:51pm

on 04/10/06 at 11:19:48, Arimanator wrote:
Based on these statistics I am the worst player there is.

On the contrary, you are a strong player and your results show it.  My point was about how one can "spread strategic knowledge around the community".  As 99of9 has often argued, you can become an accomplished player merely through botbashing.  However, all the tricks and traps you learn are known only by you, unless someone else studies your games.  But most players don't study other people's games, and even studying a completed game doesn't drive home a lesson like playing.  As the saying goes, The burnt hand teaches best.  Someone who watches you spring a trap will not learn nearly as much as someone who plays you and is trapped by you.

Playing games against people as well as bots is the simplest way to give something back to the community.  (Entering a bot in the Computer Championship is also a great gift to the community, but it is beyond me.)  Every time you play a different idea against a different person, the base of Arimaa knowledge gets a little wider, and the game gradually becomes deeper for all of us.  We are all mentors to each other.

This is not to say that you are under any obligation to teach others what you know.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing for your own amusement and intellectual stimulation.  I am quite sure Omar welcomes each individual to play Arimaa in whatever form and style is interesting to him.  Your botbashing masterpieces are interesting and elegant in their own right.
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 10th, 2006, 12:55pm

on 04/10/06 at 11:07:48, PMertens wrote:
Unfortunately Fritzl and Adanac are also quite good ... even without playing so many humans ... ???

I am a book learner, and I suspect Adanac is as well.  I study Arimaa to the extent I know how to study it.  Also he and I have both written about Arimaa.  You would be amazed how much it can teach you to try to say something coherent about how to play well.  When I try to put my Arimaa knowledge into words, I realize how little I know.


on 04/10/06 at 11:07:48, PMertens wrote:
robinson              353            195            55%

Over half against humans?  This is awe-inspiring.  Robinson truly deserves his crown.  I hereby resolve to bring my total of rated games versus humans over 300 by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by Swynndla on Apr 10th, 2006, 10:03pm

on 04/10/06 at 10:31:29, Fritzlein wrote:
Based on my database (two weeks out of date?) these are the players who have the most rated games against human opponents:

232      PMertens


Not that there is a Player of the Year, but PMertens may be leading (not sure as the PotM rules would change the results).

So it's all good as long as PMertens doesn't start another job and be too busy to play us ... right? ... right??  ;)
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by PMertens on Apr 11th, 2006, 5:03am
New job is starting Tuesday, 18. April 2006  ;D

Looks like you will certainly win April-PotM ... grats  ;)
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by RonWeasley on Apr 11th, 2006, 7:42am
I may be least ideal player of all!  Only 15% of my games are against muggles.  That makes only 19.  Eleven so far in the postal tourneys.  If you divide by time since I started playing, that's an average of one game every two months.

Mostly this is due to browser issues, but also a lack of uninterrupted stretches of time.  I am a coward too.  If I lose too badly, I'm afraid people won't want to be my friend.
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by PMertens on Apr 11th, 2006, 11:23am

on 04/11/06 at 07:42:35, RonWeasley wrote:
I may be least ideal player of all!


Well, there are plenty with a worse ratio ...

... but you are clearly one of the more efficient players !
Reaching (nearly) 2000 points in 127 total games is impressive  ;)


Quote:
If I lose too badly, I'm afraid people won't want to be my friend.


normally it is the other way round: people love losers ... at least playing against them  :P
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 11th, 2006, 2:53pm

on 04/11/06 at 07:42:35, RonWeasley wrote:
I am a coward too.  If I lose too badly, I'm afraid people won't want to be my friend.

I'm a coward as well.  I always feel like I'm going to lose my next game.  I really admire PMertens for utterly disregarding his rating and playing for fun, yet also playing hard to win every game.  I wish I could be an intense player without caring so much about losing.
Title: Re: Most number of games played?
Post by frostlad on Apr 11th, 2006, 4:02pm

on 04/11/06 at 11:23:49, PMertens wrote:
normally it is the other way round: people love losers ... at least playing against them  :P


I have so far fallen into this category for all of you players ranked higher than me. Well that and swynndla beat me too, but keep playing me and one of these days I'll get a win. But for now, enjoy taking my rating points away from me everyone.
 ;D


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