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(Message started by: Arimabuff on Apr 2nd, 2008, 10:01am)
Title: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 2nd, 2008, 10:01am
I believe that the Botbasher Hall of fame would be more practical if instead of giving the number of a game for any record instance you'd give a link to the actual game instead. As it is done at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 2nd, 2008, 10:55am
Thanks,

The plan is to have the game number as the link.  I have done the first two, so you can check it out.

Note: the very first game seems to be incorrect.  The bot resigned after 5 moves and Sameer never reached goal.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 2nd, 2008, 11:53am
Wow!!! That's a new one. I've never heard of, much less seen a bot resign before.

I don't think we should count that as a record since the bot wasn't in any danger of losing anytime soon. Looks more like a malfunction to me.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 2nd, 2008, 1:09pm
It looks like I will need to check the validity of all of the records, as the 3rd one down the list was won by repetition and not by goal.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 2nd, 2008, 2:35pm
I am afraid that the shortest ways to beat a bot are often by repetion or because of some malfunction. As Captain Kirk would say "There's got to be a way!!" ;) To eliminate them in the dadabase query, since the variable exist and can be seen whenever you check a list of games. In fact you should be able to produce both the list of games ending by a goal and the one of games ending by a freeze.

Also the games that time out are not valid either.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 2nd, 2008, 2:48pm
I guess I assumed that the database query would be able to query by reason code in order to only select the "g" reason code, therefore only collecting the fastest goals.

Since this first run did not do that, is it possible?
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 2nd, 2008, 3:14pm

on 04/02/08 at 14:48:55, mistre wrote:
I guess I assumed that the database query would be able to query by reason code in order to only select the "g" reason code, therefore only collecting the fastest goals.

Since this first run did not do that, is it possible?

Oh, my.  I thought that I did do that in the first run.  I certainly intended to do it, and I have a distinct memory of having "g" as a filter for termination.  But obviously I messed it up.  I will look at my query tonight and try again.

Did this only happen for games where the bot played Silver and the result was goal?  In some of the other queries I see the termination code in the output that I posted, so hopefully those are correct.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 2nd, 2008, 3:27pm

on 04/02/08 at 13:09:26, mistre wrote:
It looks like I will need to check the validity of all of the records, as the 3rd one down the list was won by repetition and not by goal.

Thanks for checking the validity of all the records.  I spot-checked, but obviously not enough. :-[
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 2nd, 2008, 3:37pm

on 04/02/08 at 15:14:52, Fritzlein wrote:
Did this only happen for games where the bot played Silver and the result was goal?  In some of the other queries I see the termination code in the output that I posted, so hopefully those are correct.


Yes.  I just checked all of the bot playing gold games and they are all correct.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 3rd, 2008, 2:47am
Wow!!! Mistre you've done a swell job with the botbashing page, hat's off!
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 3rd, 2008, 8:19am
Thanks... and I am not even done yet.  

Just wait until it is all finished.  ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by omar on Apr 3rd, 2008, 8:25am

on 04/02/08 at 10:55:59, mistre wrote:
Note: the very first game seems to be incorrect.  The bot resigned after 5 moves and Sameer never reached goal.


Don't count that game. At the time, Sameer was helping me debug the gameroom.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 3rd, 2008, 9:55am
The game 32792 by doriangaray links to game 249 you can see it at the bottom of the window just by passing the pointer over it (Assuming you're using IE6).


That mistake is repeated several times throughout the page maybe it's a work in progress glitch.

I just thought I'd let you know.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 3rd, 2008, 10:36am
Yes, I found those errors.  I think I have fixed them all, let me know if you see anything else.

The page is about done now with all of the current information that I have.

I still need to get the correct fastest goals for bot playing silver for the games that I listed as xxxxx for the name.

Also, the handicap records are incomplete, but I just listed all of the ones that were on the page.  If anyone wants to point out specific handicap games in this thread, please do so.

Notice that on the bottom, I deleted most of the records because they were absorbed into the various tables.  However, there was one that didn't fit and it was records which used a combination of handicaps, immobilization, and no-capture.  If you know of other such games, please let me know and I will list them there.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 3rd, 2008, 12:50pm

on 04/03/08 at 10:36:49, mistre wrote:
I still need to get the correct fastest goals for bot playing silver for the games that I listed as xxxxx for the name.

I listed the (hopefully now correct) records in the other thread:

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/forum/cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=talk;action=display;num=1147634070;start=30#30


Quote:
Also, the handicap records are incomplete, but I just listed all of the ones that were on the page.  If anyone wants to point out specific handicap games in this thread, please do so.
Also from the other thread there is a handicap game announcement that didn't get listed:

on 10/01/07 at 19:47:37, 722caasi wrote:
Game 59885:
Handicap HH as silver, win in 18.
(really weird ending though).

In addition to that HH handicap, one could list my handicap wins against Bomb2005CC, game 47739 as silver giving a horse, and game 48023 as gold giving a camel.  But now that I think about it, PMertens may have given bigger handicaps.  Or maybe he only did so against the faster bots due to his innate impatience?

You are doing a fantastic job, mistre.  Thanks for taking on this task!
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 3rd, 2008, 1:01pm

on 04/03/08 at 12:50:57, Fritzlein wrote:
one could list my handicap wins against Bomb2005CC, game 47739 as silver giving a horse, and game 48023 as gold giving a camel.  But now that I think about it, PMertens may have given bigger handicaps.  Or maybe he only did so against the faster bots due to his innate impatience?

Oops, PMertens did it first, game 13845.

I see a lot of the handicap records don't have names or game numbers.  99of9, is that your record against Arimaalon?  Maybe you could dig up the exact game.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 3rd, 2008, 1:53pm
Game 19680 is not against Bomp2 as indicated but against cluelessfast and I didn't win in that game in 17 moves but in 14 moves. I actually won against Bomp2 in 17 moves in another game.

Game 18122
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 3rd, 2008, 2:07pm
What have you done with Arimabuff's fastest no kill immo. against Clueless2006P2 ?

game 59165.

also Pmertens immo against Gnobot2005CC in 28 moves is actually a NO KILL immo. That's rare enough to be noted.

game 18992

There is only a very small number of Immo. with no pieces taken in the entire database.

That's why they deserve to be noticed as such.


It's like walking on a tight rope AND juggling at the same time!

Also Raymond was one of my FORMER alternate accounts here; so that means that I am the holder of the fastest immo. against Clueless2006P2 playing silver as well.  :)

It totally slipped my mind.  ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 3rd, 2008, 4:00pm
I have addressed your suggestions, check out the no-capture immobilization section.

I aim to please  :D
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by 99of9 on Apr 3rd, 2008, 5:16pm

on 04/03/08 at 13:01:00, Fritzlein wrote:
I see a lot of the handicap records don't have names or game numbers.  99of9, is that your record against Arimaalon?  Maybe you could dig up the exact game.

I don't think so.  I've only played Arimaalon once, and I played normally and won in 16 moves.

EDIT: Oh, scrap that, I've played as 88of8.
My best handicaps are the bottom two games on this link.
http://www.arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/pastrecord.cgi?id=1652&oid=1671
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 3rd, 2008, 11:54pm

on 04/03/08 at 16:00:10, mistre wrote:
I have addressed your suggestions, check out the no-capture immobilization section.

I aim to please  :D

Thanks mistre, that's very nice!

Out of curiosity, how were you able to find them all?
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 5th, 2008, 3:24pm
Actually, I didn't find them all until Karl provided a list of all games that involved sacrifices at the beginning of the game.

From that list, I found a bunch more.  Hopefully I have them all now!
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 5th, 2008, 3:40pm
Today I have tried at least four times to add a line in the bobashing page and each time it has been erased.

So I have a quetion for you Mistre.

Did you do it on purpose? and If so Why?
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 5th, 2008, 5:12pm
I did not see anything that you added.  Are you sure you are saving after you add it?

Let me know what to add and I will add it for you.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 5th, 2008, 5:41pm

on 04/05/08 at 17:12:57, mistre wrote:
I did not see anything that you added.  Are you sure you are saving after you add it?

Let me know what to add and I will add it for you.

I just thought it'd be interesting to have the first no-capture immo. ever to be done, on record.
Title: Re: A suggestion to Mistre.
Post by mistre on Apr 5th, 2008, 7:40pm
It's in there now.  Maybe it wasn't saving because I was revising the page at the same time you were.

Thanks.


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