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Re: Move 23
« Reply #45 on: Feb 14th, 2008, 5:44pm »
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Here's the master tree for Soter's move. Impressive, isn't it? Notice the exquisite foliage. The opportunity for me to error in compiling this is huge, so if you spot a discrepancy, please make it known.
 
I am all for voting tomorrow, too.
 

 
23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e  
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n rb3e Ha3e  
. . 24b Ce3s md3e rc3x me3e mf3e  
. . . 25w Ce2n Hb3n Hb4n Hb5n  
. . . . 25b mg3n mg4n Hg6e mg5n  
. . . . . 26w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n  
. . . . . . 26b Mf5w ef4n dd7s rb8s =+  
. . 24b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5n he6s Ed6e  
. . . . 25b ha5s ha4e Dc4n hb4e  
. . . . . 26w he5s Mf5w Me5w Dc5w (?)  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4n md3n rc3x  
. . . . 25b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x dd7s -/+  
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n Ec5e Ed5s  
. . 24b ha5s ha4e rb3e hb4s =+  
. 24w Dc4w Rf1n Ec5e Ed5s  
. . 24b ha5e hb5e hc5s dd7s  
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s Ha3n rb3w  
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n  
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x  
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e =+  
. . . . . 26w Ed3n me3w Hg6s Mf5w  
. . . . . . 26b ef4n hc5w hb5w Db4n -+  
. . . 25w Ed4e Ee4n he6e Ee5n  
. . . . 25b md3e me3e mf3w Rf2n Rf3x -+  
. 24w Rf1n Dc4s Ec5e Ed5s  
. . 24b ha5s ha4e hb4e dd7s  
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w md3e Ed4s  
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n  
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x  
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e  
. . . . . . . 27w Ec4e hc5s hc4s hc3x Ed4w  
. . . . . . . . 27b ef4n ef5n ef6s Hg6w Hf6x  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x =+
.    .    .    25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w +=
. . 24b dd7s dd6w dc6s dc5s  
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w
. . . . 25b md3e dc3x me3e mf3e Rf2n Rf3x
. . . . . 26w Hg6s Mf5w Ec4n Ec5e
. . . . . . 26b mg3n Hg5n mg4n ef4n
. . . . . . . 27w Me5s Ed5e he6w Ee5n  
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ha5e  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w df7s df6s rb4w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w ra4e Ha3n Rg1n Rg2n  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rb4e hb5s Db3e hb4s (?)  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Dd4w ee4w rb4w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee6s Ee5e ra4e Ha3n  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b Dc4n ed4w Dc5n Dc6x hb5e  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ef5e Eg5w mg6s Hh6w (?)  
. . . . . . . 27w Ed5n he6e Ed6e Me5s  
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5s hf6s Hg6w mg5n  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ce2n Me4n hf5e Me5e  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mf5w ef4n Me5w ef5w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Hf6s Ee6w Md5s Ed6e  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ee5s Ce3e Cf3x ee4s rh7s =+  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Me3w ee4s rh7s =+  
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ce2e  
. . . . . . . . 27b ce7w ha5e rb4w hb5s  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e Dc3e Ha3e ra4s  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w +=  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w cd7n Md6n Ee5n  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b cc7w Hg6e mg5n ef5w =+  
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ha3n  
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w Md6n cc7s cc6x Md7w  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ee4w ed4n ed5n ed6n  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5w Ed5n rb4e Ha4e  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rc8e Mc7n ed7w hf6w =+  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b rf8w cc7e ee4w ed4n  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5e Ef5e Eg5w mg6s  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ed5e rg7s mg5e rg6s  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ha4e Hb4n Hb5n Dd3n  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30b ee5w ed5n ha5e hb5e =+
. . . 25w Ha3n Ha4e rb3w Dc3w  
. . . . 25b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n  
. . . . . 26w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e +=  
. . . . 25b ha5e hb5e dc4s hc5s  
. . . . . 26w Ce2n Dd2e md3s Ed4s  
. . . . . . 26b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n  
. . . . . . . 27w Ed3n Ed4s hc4e dc3x Rg1n  
. . . . . . . . 27b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x rh7s  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ed3w md2n Ec3n md3w mc3x  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mg5w eg4n Mf5n Mf6x eg5w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ec4n hd4w hc4s hc3x Ec5s +=  
. . 24b ha5s ha4e Mf5n ef4n  
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e  
. . . . 25b ef5e eg5s Hg6s Mf6x dd7s  
. . . . . 26w Ee3n Ee4e Ef4n Ce2n  
. . . . . . 26b hb4e dd6s dd5s dd4s =+  
. . . . . 26w Dc3e rb3e rc3x Ee3n Ee4w  
. . . . . . 26b Hg5w eg4n Hf5n Hf6x eg5w  
. . . . . . . 27w Ed4w Ha3n Ce2n Dd2e  
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5w ee5s Ce3e ee4s =+  
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s he6w Mf6w  
. . . . 25b ef5w hd6s Me6w ee5n  
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Dc3e rb3e rc3x  
. . . . . . 26b ee6e ef6w Hg6w Hf6x hb4n -+  
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Hg6s Hg5s  
. . . . . . 26b Md6w Mc6x ee6w hb4e hd5e  
. . . . . . . 27w Dc3e rb3e Ha3e Ee3n =
. . . 25w Ed4w md3n Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . 25b dd7s dd6s md4e me4n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Md5s  
. . 24b md3e me3n me4n me5e  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e mf5n Ee5e  
. . . . 25b ef4w Md4n ee4w ha5s  
. . . . . 26w Ef5w Md5w Ee5w Ed5n  
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Mc5n ed5w mf6e =+  
. . . . . 26w Ef5w mf6s Md5n Rf1n  
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Md6w Mc6x ed5n ha4e -+  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n  
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e hf6s ef4w =+  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6w Ee5n  
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e Hg6e mg5n =+  
. . 24b md3e me3e mf3e mg3n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Hg5e  
. . 24b ef4w ee4w Md5e ed4n  
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w he6w/e Me5n  
. . . . 25b ed5e ce7n Me6n ee5n =+  
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w Me5s Hf5e  
. . . . 25b ed5e ee5e Me4n(ha5s?)-+  
. . . 25w Dc4s Ec5s Ec4e Hh5s  
. . . . 26w rb3n Dc3w md3w mc3x Ed4s  
. . . . . 26b ef5s ef4e eg4w Hh4w  
. . . . . . 27w Rg1n Rg2n Ce2e Hg4e  
. . . . . . . 27b he6e hf6e ha5e rb4w -+  
 

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Re: Move 23
« Reply #46 on: Feb 14th, 2008, 9:29pm »
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Golly, with a tree like that, I don't think I could bear to vote for anything else and lose all that analysis!  I'm ready to vote for Soter's move any time, unless someone re-refutes it...  Tongue
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #47 on: Feb 15th, 2008, 7:18am »
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Here's the master tree for Soter's move. Impressive, isn't it?

 
Wow, theJeh, this is the largest tree in the Mob history . My jaw will hit the floor if chessandgo escapes from this one .
 
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Golly, with a tree like that, I don't think I could bear to vote for anything else and lose all that analysis!

 
Sunk cost fallacy may be dangerous... Wink
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #48 on: Feb 15th, 2008, 8:44am »
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on Feb 14th, 2008, 9:29pm, Fritzlein wrote:
Golly, with a tree like that, I don't think I could bear to vote for anything else and lose all that analysis!  

 
I back it.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #49 on: Feb 15th, 2008, 11:07am »
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Voting has begun. Thanks Ron!
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #50 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 10:33am »
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By a unanimous 10-0 decision: 23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e . I keep thinking I'm going to move wrong one of these times.
 
And chessandgo comments that we seem to be moving in a Bomb-like way.  He said that after we took his rabbit.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #51 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 12:28pm »
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By a unanimous 10-0 decision: 23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e .

 
Is it the first unanimous vote in mob history?
 
Let's hope it won't lead us astray.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #52 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 4:13pm »
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For the record

    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .  1.  2.  3.  4.  5.
1. ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e (e->f4, m->d3)  .    .   -  10  10  10  10
2. ha5s ha4e df7s rf8s (h->b4, d->f6, r->f7)    0   -   5   7   7
3. ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e (push D)   .    .    .   0   4   -   4   4
4. ed3e ec3w Ce2n dd7s (pull C, d->d6) .    .   0   2   2   -   2
5. ed3n ed4e Dc4e mc3e (pull D, m->d3) .    .   0   2   2   2   -
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #53 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 4:28pm »
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on Feb 16th, 2008, 10:33am, RonWeasley wrote:
And chessandgo comments that we seem to be moving in a Bomb-like way.  He said that after we took his rabbit.

We play like Bomb?  What an insult!  Bomb is at best mediocre at postal speeds.  I vote that we tell chessandgo he plays a lot like Gnobot.   Grin
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #54 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 5:01pm »
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on Feb 16th, 2008, 4:28pm, Fritzlein wrote:

We play like Bomb?  What an insult!  Bomb is at best mediocre at postal speeds.  I vote that we tell chessandgo he plays a lot like Gnobot.   Grin

 
Yeah I agree  Grin
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #55 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 10:26pm »
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Perhaps we should wait until he sacrifices all his pieces to blockade our elephant. Smiley
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #56 on: Dec 30th, 2010, 10:25am »
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on Feb 14th, 2008, 5:44pm, The_Jeh wrote:
Here's the master tree for Soter's move. Impressive, isn't it? Notice the exquisite foliage. The opportunity for me to error in compiling this is huge, so if you spot a discrepancy, please make it known.
 
I am all for voting tomorrow, too.
 

 
23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e  
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n rb3e Ha3e  
. . 24b Ce3s md3e rc3x me3e mf3e  
. . . 25w Ce2n Hb3n Hb4n Hb5n  
. . . . 25b mg3n mg4n Hg6e mg5n  
. . . . . 26w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n  
. . . . . . 26b Mf5w ef4n dd7s rb8s =+  
. . 24b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5n he6s Ed6e  
. . . . 25b ha5s ha4e Dc4n hb4e  
. . . . . 26w he5s Mf5w Me5w Dc5w (?)  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4n md3n rc3x  
. . . . 25b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x dd7s -/+  
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n Ec5e Ed5s  
. . 24b ha5s ha4e rb3e hb4s =+  
. 24w Dc4w Rf1n Ec5e Ed5s  
. . 24b ha5e hb5e hc5s dd7s  
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s Ha3n rb3w  
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n  
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x  
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e =+  
. . . . . 26w Ed3n me3w Hg6s Mf5w  
. . . . . . 26b ef4n hc5w hb5w Db4n -+  
. . . 25w Ed4e Ee4n he6e Ee5n  
. . . . 25b md3e me3e mf3w Rf2n Rf3x -+  
. 24w Rf1n Dc4s Ec5e Ed5s  
. . 24b ha5s ha4e hb4e dd7s  
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w md3e Ed4s  
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n  
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x  
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e  
. . . . . . . 27w Ec4e hc5s hc4s hc3x Ed4w  
. . . . . . . . 27b ef4n ef5n ef6s Hg6w Hf6x  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x =+
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w +=
. . 24b dd7s dd6w dc6s dc5s  
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w
. . . . 25b md3e dc3x me3e mf3e Rf2n Rf3x
. . . . . 26w Hg6s Mf5w Ec4n Ec5e
. . . . . . 26b mg3n Hg5n mg4n ef4n
. . . . . . . 27w Me5s Ed5e he6w Ee5n  
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ha5e  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w df7s df6s rb4w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w ra4e Ha3n Rg1n Rg2n  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rb4e hb5s Db3e hb4s (?)  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Dd4w ee4w rb4w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee6s Ee5e ra4e Ha3n  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b Dc4n ed4w Dc5n Dc6x hb5e  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ef5e Eg5w mg6s Hh6w (?)  
. . . . . . . 27w Ed5n he6e Ed6e Me5s  
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5s hf6s Hg6w mg5n  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ce2n Me4n hf5e Me5e  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mf5w ef4n Me5w ef5w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Hf6s Ee6w Md5s Ed6e  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ee5s Ce3e Cf3x ee4s rh7s =+  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Me3w ee4s rh7s =+  
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ce2e  
. . . . . . . . 27b ce7w ha5e rb4w hb5s  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e Dc3e Ha3e ra4s  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w +=  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w cd7n Md6n Ee5n  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b cc7w Hg6e mg5n ef5w =+  
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ha3n  
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w Md6n cc7s cc6x Md7w  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ee4w ed4n ed5n ed6n  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5w Ed5n rb4e Ha4e  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rc8e Mc7n ed7w hf6w =+  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b rf8w cc7e ee4w ed4n  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5e Ef5e Eg5w mg6s  
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ed5e rg7s mg5e rg6s  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ha4e Hb4n Hb5n Dd3n  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30b ee5w ed5n ha5e hb5e =+
. . . 25w Ha3n Ha4e rb3w Dc3w  
. . . . 25b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n  
. . . . . 26w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e +=  
. . . . 25b ha5e hb5e dc4s hc5s  
. . . . . 26w Ce2n Dd2e md3s Ed4s  
. . . . . . 26b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n  
. . . . . . . 27w Ed3n Ed4s hc4e dc3x Rg1n  
. . . . . . . . 27b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x rh7s  
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ed3w md2n Ec3n md3w mc3x  
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mg5w eg4n Mf5n Mf6x eg5w  
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ec4n hd4w hc4s hc3x Ec5s +=  
. . 24b ha5s ha4e Mf5n ef4n  
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e  
. . . . 25b ef5e eg5s Hg6s Mf6x dd7s  
. . . . . 26w Ee3n Ee4e Ef4n Ce2n  
. . . . . . 26b hb4e dd6s dd5s dd4s =+  
. . . . . 26w Dc3e rb3e rc3x Ee3n Ee4w  
. . . . . . 26b Hg5w eg4n Hf5n Hf6x eg5w  
. . . . . . . 27w Ed4w Ha3n Ce2n Dd2e  
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5w ee5s Ce3e ee4s =+  
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s he6w Mf6w  
. . . . 25b ef5w hd6s Me6w ee5n  
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Dc3e rb3e rc3x  
. . . . . . 26b ee6e ef6w Hg6w Hf6x hb4n -+  
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Hg6s Hg5s  
. . . . . . 26b Md6w Mc6x ee6w hb4e hd5e  
. . . . . . . 27w Dc3e rb3e Ha3e Ee3n =
. . . 25w Ed4w md3n Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . 25b dd7s dd6s md4e me4n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Md5s  
. . 24b md3e me3n me4n me5e  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e mf5n Ee5e  
. . . . 25b ef4w Md4n ee4w ha5s  
. . . . . 26w Ef5w Md5w Ee5w Ed5n  
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Mc5n ed5w mf6e =+  
. . . . . 26w Ef5w mf6s Md5n Rf1n  
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Md6w Mc6x ed5n ha4e -+  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n  
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e hf6s ef4w =+  
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6w Ee5n  
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e Hg6e mg5n =+  
. . 24b md3e me3e mf3e mg3n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Hg5e  
. . 24b ef4w ee4w Md5e ed4n  
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w he6w/e Me5n  
. . . . 25b ed5e ce7n Me6n ee5n =+  
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w Me5s Hf5e  
. . . . 25b ed5e ee5e Me4n(ha5s?)-+  
. . . 25w Dc4s Ec5s Ec4e Hh5s  
. . . . 26w rb3n Dc3w md3w mc3x Ed4s  
. . . . . 26b ef5s ef4e eg4w Hh4w  
. . . . . . 27w Rg1n Rg2n Ce2e Hg4e  
. . . . . . . 27b he6e hf6e ha5e rb4w -+  
 


 
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The cool thing with my book chapter on this Mob game is that whenever I can't find a refutation, I just have to look into the Mob's forum to find it. The bad thing, obviously, is that everyone who reads my chapter is going to say: "your analysis is so superficial c&g, half of your proposal have been refuted way before you even considered them!" Smiley
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