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The_Jeh
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #45 on: Feb 14th, 2008, 5:44pm » |
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Here's the master tree for Soter's move. Impressive, isn't it? Notice the exquisite foliage. The opportunity for me to error in compiling this is huge, so if you spot a discrepancy, please make it known.
I am all for voting tomorrow, too.
23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n rb3e Ha3e
. . 24b Ce3s md3e rc3x me3e mf3e
. . . 25w Ce2n Hb3n Hb4n Hb5n
. . . . 25b mg3n mg4n Hg6e mg5n
. . . . . 26w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n
. . . . . . 26b Mf5w ef4n dd7s rb8s =+
. . 24b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5n he6s Ed6e
. . . . 25b ha5s ha4e Dc4n hb4e
. . . . . 26w he5s Mf5w Me5w Dc5w (?)
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4n md3n rc3x
. . . . 25b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x dd7s -/+
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n Ec5e Ed5s
. . 24b ha5s ha4e rb3e hb4s =+
. 24w Dc4w Rf1n Ec5e Ed5s
. . 24b ha5e hb5e hc5s dd7s
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s Ha3n rb3w
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e =+
. . . . . 26w Ed3n me3w Hg6s Mf5w
. . . . . . 26b ef4n hc5w hb5w Db4n -+
. . . 25w Ed4e Ee4n he6e Ee5n
. . . . 25b md3e me3e mf3w Rf2n Rf3x -+
. 24w Rf1n Dc4s Ec5e Ed5s
. . 24b ha5s ha4e hb4e dd7s
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w md3e Ed4s
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e
. . . . . . . 27w Ec4e hc5s hc4s hc3x Ed4w
. . . . . . . . 27b ef4n ef5n ef6s Hg6w Hf6x
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x =+
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w +=
. . 24b dd7s dd6w dc6s dc5s
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w
. . . . 25b md3e dc3x me3e mf3e Rf2n Rf3x
. . . . . 26w Hg6s Mf5w Ec4n Ec5e
. . . . . . 26b mg3n Hg5n mg4n ef4n
. . . . . . . 27w Me5s Ed5e he6w Ee5n
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ha5e
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w df7s df6s rb4w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w ra4e Ha3n Rg1n Rg2n
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rb4e hb5s Db3e hb4s (?)
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Dd4w ee4w rb4w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee6s Ee5e ra4e Ha3n
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b Dc4n ed4w Dc5n Dc6x hb5e
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ef5e Eg5w mg6s Hh6w (?)
. . . . . . . 27w Ed5n he6e Ed6e Me5s
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5s hf6s Hg6w mg5n
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ce2n Me4n hf5e Me5e
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mf5w ef4n Me5w ef5w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Hf6s Ee6w Md5s Ed6e
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ee5s Ce3e Cf3x ee4s rh7s =+
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Me3w ee4s rh7s =+
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ce2e
. . . . . . . . 27b ce7w ha5e rb4w hb5s
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e Dc3e Ha3e ra4s
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w +=
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w cd7n Md6n Ee5n
. . . . . . . . . . 28b cc7w Hg6e mg5n ef5w =+
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ha3n
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w Md6n cc7s cc6x Md7w
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ee4w ed4n ed5n ed6n
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5w Ed5n rb4e Ha4e
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rc8e Mc7n ed7w hf6w =+
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . . . . . . . 28b rf8w cc7e ee4w ed4n
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5e Ef5e Eg5w mg6s
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ed5e rg7s mg5e rg6s
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ha4e Hb4n Hb5n Dd3n
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30b ee5w ed5n ha5e hb5e =+
. . . 25w Ha3n Ha4e rb3w Dc3w
. . . . 25b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n
. . . . . 26w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e +=
. . . . 25b ha5e hb5e dc4s hc5s
. . . . . 26w Ce2n Dd2e md3s Ed4s
. . . . . . 26b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n
. . . . . . . 27w Ed3n Ed4s hc4e dc3x Rg1n
. . . . . . . . 27b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x rh7s
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ed3w md2n Ec3n md3w mc3x
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mg5w eg4n Mf5n Mf6x eg5w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ec4n hd4w hc4s hc3x Ec5s +=
. . 24b ha5s ha4e Mf5n ef4n
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e
. . . . 25b ef5e eg5s Hg6s Mf6x dd7s
. . . . . 26w Ee3n Ee4e Ef4n Ce2n
. . . . . . 26b hb4e dd6s dd5s dd4s =+
. . . . . 26w Dc3e rb3e rc3x Ee3n Ee4w
. . . . . . 26b Hg5w eg4n Hf5n Hf6x eg5w
. . . . . . . 27w Ed4w Ha3n Ce2n Dd2e
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5w ee5s Ce3e ee4s =+
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s he6w Mf6w
. . . . 25b ef5w hd6s Me6w ee5n
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . . . 26b ee6e ef6w Hg6w Hf6x hb4n -+
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Hg6s Hg5s
. . . . . . 26b Md6w Mc6x ee6w hb4e hd5e
. . . . . . . 27w Dc3e rb3e Ha3e Ee3n =
. . . 25w Ed4w md3n Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . 25b dd7s dd6s md4e me4n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Md5s
. . 24b md3e me3n me4n me5e
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e mf5n Ee5e
. . . . 25b ef4w Md4n ee4w ha5s
. . . . . 26w Ef5w Md5w Ee5w Ed5n
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Mc5n ed5w mf6e =+
. . . . . 26w Ef5w mf6s Md5n Rf1n
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Md6w Mc6x ed5n ha4e -+
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e hf6s ef4w =+
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6w Ee5n
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e Hg6e mg5n =+
. . 24b md3e me3e mf3e mg3n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Hg5e
. . 24b ef4w ee4w Md5e ed4n
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w he6w/e Me5n
. . . . 25b ed5e ce7n Me6n ee5n =+
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w Me5s Hf5e
. . . . 25b ed5e ee5e Me4n(ha5s?)-+
. . . 25w Dc4s Ec5s Ec4e Hh5s
. . . . 26w rb3n Dc3w md3w mc3x Ed4s
. . . . . 26b ef5s ef4e eg4w Hh4w
. . . . . . 27w Rg1n Rg2n Ce2e Hg4e
. . . . . . . 27b he6e hf6e ha5e rb4w -+
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #46 on: Feb 14th, 2008, 9:29pm » |
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Golly, with a tree like that, I don't think I could bear to vote for anything else and lose all that analysis! I'm ready to vote for Soter's move any time, unless someone re-refutes it... 
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #47 on: Feb 15th, 2008, 7:18am » |
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Quote:| Here's the master tree for Soter's move. Impressive, isn't it? |
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Wow, theJeh, this is the largest tree in the Mob history . My jaw will hit the floor if chessandgo escapes from this one .
Quote:| Golly, with a tree like that, I don't think I could bear to vote for anything else and lose all that analysis! |
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Sunk cost fallacy may be dangerous... 
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #48 on: Feb 15th, 2008, 8:44am » |
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on Feb 14th, 2008, 9:29pm, Fritzlein wrote:| Golly, with a tree like that, I don't think I could bear to vote for anything else and lose all that analysis! |
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I back it.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #49 on: Feb 15th, 2008, 11:07am » |
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Voting has begun. Thanks Ron!
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #50 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 10:33am » |
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By a unanimous 10-0 decision: 23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e . I keep thinking I'm going to move wrong one of these times.
And chessandgo comments that we seem to be moving in a Bomb-like way. He said that after we took his rabbit.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #51 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 12:28pm » |
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Quote:| By a unanimous 10-0 decision: 23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e . |
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Is it the first unanimous vote in mob history?
Let's hope it won't lead us astray.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #52 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 4:13pm » |
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For the record
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1. ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e (e->f4, m->d3) . . - 10 10 10 10
2. ha5s ha4e df7s rf8s (h->b4, d->f6, r->f7) 0 - 5 7 7
3. ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e (push D) . . . 0 4 - 4 4
4. ed3e ec3w Ce2n dd7s (pull C, d->d6) . . 0 2 2 - 2
5. ed3n ed4e Dc4e mc3e (pull D, m->d3) . . 0 2 2 2 -
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #53 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 4:28pm » |
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on Feb 16th, 2008, 10:33am, RonWeasley wrote:| And chessandgo comments that we seem to be moving in a Bomb-like way. He said that after we took his rabbit. |
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We play like Bomb? What an insult! Bomb is at best mediocre at postal speeds. I vote that we tell chessandgo he plays a lot like Gnobot. 
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #54 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 5:01pm » |
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on Feb 16th, 2008, 4:28pm, Fritzlein wrote:
We play like Bomb? What an insult! Bomb is at best mediocre at postal speeds. I vote that we tell chessandgo he plays a lot like Gnobot. |
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Yeah I agree
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #55 on: Feb 16th, 2008, 10:26pm » |
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Perhaps we should wait until he sacrifices all his pieces to blockade our elephant. 
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #56 on: Dec 30th, 2010, 10:25am » |
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on Feb 14th, 2008, 5:44pm, The_Jeh wrote:Here's the master tree for Soter's move. Impressive, isn't it? Notice the exquisite foliage. The opportunity for me to error in compiling this is huge, so if you spot a discrepancy, please make it known.
I am all for voting tomorrow, too.
23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n rb3e Ha3e
. . 24b Ce3s md3e rc3x me3e mf3e
. . . 25w Ce2n Hb3n Hb4n Hb5n
. . . . 25b mg3n mg4n Hg6e mg5n
. . . . . 26w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n
. . . . . . 26b Mf5w ef4n dd7s rb8s =+
. . 24b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5n he6s Ed6e
. . . . 25b ha5s ha4e Dc4n hb4e
. . . . . 26w he5s Mf5w Me5w Dc5w (?)
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4n md3n rc3x
. . . . 25b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x dd7s -/+
. 24w Rf1n Ce2n Ec5e Ed5s
. . 24b ha5s ha4e rb3e hb4s =+
. 24w Dc4w Rf1n Ec5e Ed5s
. . 24b ha5e hb5e hc5s dd7s
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s Ha3n rb3w
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e =+
. . . . . 26w Ed3n me3w Hg6s Mf5w
. . . . . . 26b ef4n hc5w hb5w Db4n -+
. . . 25w Ed4e Ee4n he6e Ee5n
. . . . 25b md3e me3e mf3w Rf2n Rf3x -+
. 24w Rf1n Dc4s Ec5e Ed5s
. . 24b ha5s ha4e hb4e dd7s
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w md3e Ed4s
. . . . 25b ef4s ef3n Rf2n Rf3x hc4n
. . . . . 26w Ed3w me3w Ec3n md3w mc3x
. . . . . . 26b ef4w Mf5s Mf4s Mf3x ee4e
. . . . . . . 27w Ec4e hc5s hc4s hc3x Ed4w
. . . . . . . . 27b ef4n ef5n ef6s Hg6w Hf6x
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x =+
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w +=
. . 24b dd7s dd6w dc6s dc5s
. . . 25w rb3n Dc3w hc4s Ed3w
. . . . 25b md3e dc3x me3e mf3e Rf2n Rf3x
. . . . . 26w Hg6s Mf5w Ec4n Ec5e
. . . . . . 26b mg3n Hg5n mg4n ef4n
. . . . . . . 27w Me5s Ed5e he6w Ee5n
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ha5e
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w df7s df6s rb4w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w ra4e Ha3n Rg1n Rg2n
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rb4e hb5s Db3e hb4s (?)
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Dd4w ee4w rb4w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee6s Ee5e ra4e Ha3n
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b Dc4n ed4w Dc5n Dc6x hb5e
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ef5e Eg5w mg6s Hh6w (?)
. . . . . . . 27w Ed5n he6e Ed6e Me5s
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5s hf6s Hg6w mg5n
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ce2n Me4n hf5e Me5e
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mf5w ef4n Me5w ef5w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Hf6s Ee6w Md5s Ed6e
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ee5s Ce3e Cf3x ee4s rh7s =+
. . . . . . . . . 28w Dd2n Dd3n Me4s Ce2e
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ef4w Me3w ee4s rh7s =+
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ce2e
. . . . . . . . 27b ce7w ha5e rb4w hb5s
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e Dc3e Ha3e ra4s
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w +=
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w cd7n Md6n Ee5n
. . . . . . . . . . 28b cc7w Hg6e mg5n ef5w =+
. . . . . . . 27w he6e Me5n Ed5e Ha3n
. . . . . . . . 27b Hg6e mg5n ef5s ef4w
. . . . . . . . . 28w Me6w Md6n cc7s cc6x Md7w
. . . . . . . . . . 28b ee4w ed4n ed5n ed6n
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5w Ed5n rb4e Ha4e
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b rc8e Mc7n ed7w hf6w =+
. . . . . . . . . 28w Db3e rb4s Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . . . . . . . 28b rf8w cc7e ee4w ed4n
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ee5e Ef5e Eg5w mg6s
. . . . . . . . . . . . 29b ed5e rg7s mg5e rg6s
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 30w Ha4e Hb4n Hb5n Dd3n
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30b ee5w ed5n ha5e hb5e =+
. . . 25w Ha3n Ha4e rb3w Dc3w
. . . . 25b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n
. . . . . 26w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e +=
. . . . 25b ha5e hb5e dc4s hc5s
. . . . . 26w Ce2n Dd2e md3s Ed4s
. . . . . . 26b ef4e eg4n Hg6w eg5n
. . . . . . . 27w Ed3n Ed4s hc4e dc3x Rg1n
. . . . . . . . 27b eg6s eg5s Mf5e Hf6x rh7s
. . . . . . . . . 28w Ed3w md2n Ec3n md3w mc3x
. . . . . . . . . . 28b Mg5w eg4n Mf5n Mf6x eg5w
. . . . . . . . . . . 29w Ec4n hd4w hc4s hc3x Ec5s +=
. . 24b ha5s ha4e Mf5n ef4n
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s me3e mf3x Ed3e
. . . . 25b ef5e eg5s Hg6s Mf6x dd7s
. . . . . 26w Ee3n Ee4e Ef4n Ce2n
. . . . . . 26b hb4e dd6s dd5s dd4s =+
. . . . . 26w Dc3e rb3e rc3x Ee3n Ee4w
. . . . . . 26b Hg5w eg4n Hf5n Hf6x eg5w
. . . . . . . 27w Ed4w Ha3n Ce2n Dd2e
. . . . . . . . 27b ef5w ee5s Ce3e ee4s =+
. . . 25w md3e Ed4s he6w Mf6w
. . . . 25b ef5w hd6s Me6w ee5n
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . . . 26b ee6e ef6w Hg6w Hf6x hb4n -+
. . . . . 26w me3e mf3x Ed3e Hg6s Hg5s
. . . . . . 26b Md6w Mc6x ee6w hb4e hd5e
. . . . . . . 27w Dc3e rb3e Ha3e Ee3n =
. . . 25w Ed4w md3n Dc3e rb3e rc3x
. . . . 25b dd7s dd6s md4e me4n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Md5s
. . 24b md3e me3n me4n me5e
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e mf5n Ee5e
. . . . 25b ef4w Md4n ee4w ha5s
. . . . . 26w Ef5w Md5w Ee5w Ed5n
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Mc5n ed5w mf6e =+
. . . . . 26w Ef5w mf6s Md5n Rf1n
. . . . . . 26b ed4n Md6w Mc6x ed5n ha4e -+
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6e Ee5n
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e hf6s ef4w =+
. . . 25w Ec5e Ed5e he6w Ee5n
. . . . 25b Hg5n mf5e Hg6e mg5n =+
. . 24b md3e me3e mf3e mg3n =+
. 24w Hg6s Mf5w Me5w Hg5e
. . 24b ef4w ee4w Md5e ed4n
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w he6w/e Me5n
. . . . 25b ed5e ce7n Me6n ee5n =+
. . . 25w Hh5w Hg5w Me5s Hf5e
. . . . 25b ed5e ee5e Me4n(ha5s?)-+
. . . 25w Dc4s Ec5s Ec4e Hh5s
. . . . 26w rb3n Dc3w md3w mc3x Ed4s
. . . . . 26b ef5s ef4e eg4w Hh4w
. . . . . . 27w Rg1n Rg2n Ce2e Hg4e
. . . . . . . 27b he6e hf6e ha5e rb4w -+
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The cool thing with my book chapter on this Mob game is that whenever I can't find a refutation, I just have to look into the Mob's forum to find it. The bad thing, obviously, is that everyone who reads my chapter is going to say: "your analysis is so superficial c&g, half of your proposal have been refuted way before you even considered them!"
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