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Re: Move 35
« Reply #75 on: Jun 26th, 2008, 6:12am »
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on Jun 26th, 2008, 2:04am, 99of9 wrote:

Warren's reply to your example looks quite good.  A different 4th step we should consider is:
36w H->e3 Rd2n

 
I was going to post that I couldn't find a good answer to this move, but then I found this 36b which looks like our best alternative:
 
36b rf7s rf6s rf5s rf4s
 
He can adequately defend with:
37w rf3n He3e rf4e Hf3n
or
37w Dd4e De4e Df4w rf3n
 
Does anyone want to analyze from here?
 
Another option is  
36b E -> d3, push R into trap.  
37w Rg1w Rf1n Da3n Da4n
 
Then what is our strategy?  Retreat our east dog to safety and retreat our west dog to defend c6 trap?
 
Edited to reflect move 36b instead of 37b.  Sorry about that.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #76 on: Jun 26th, 2008, 12:38pm »
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on Jun 26th, 2008, 6:12am, mistre wrote:

 
I was going to post that I couldn't find a good answer to this move, but then I found this 37b which looks like our best alternative:
 
37b rf7s rf6s rf5s rf4s
 
He can adequately defend with:
37w rf3n He3e rf4e Hf3n
or
37w Dd4e De4e Df4w rf3n
 
Does anyone want to analyze from here?
 
Another option is  
37b E -> d3, push R into trap.  
37w Rg1w Rf1n Da3n Da4n
 
Then what is our strategy?  Retreat our east dog to safety and retreat our west dog to defend c6 trap?

Warren and bomb produce another line of unknown plausibility:
35b ed3e ee3s Hf2s ee2e
36w Hf1w He1n He2n Rd2n
36b ef2w ee2w Rd3w ed2n
37w Rg1w Rf1n Rc1e Rd1n
37b Cg3n dg2n dg3e dh3n
38w Da3n Da4e rb5w Db4n
38b rh7s rh6s ce7w cd7s
39w ra5s Db5w Rd2e Rh1n
39b Cg4n dh4w Cg5w dg4n
40w He3n He4e Cf5w Hf4e
40b dg5w rg6s df5n df6w
41w rg5w Hg4n Rh2n Rh3n
41b de6e Ce5n df6e Ce6e Cf6x
 
If instead he does
37w Rg1w Rf1n Da3n Da4n
our reply of
37b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s
seems quite strong for us.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #77 on: Jun 27th, 2008, 12:44pm »
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on Jun 25th, 2008, 4:35pm, RonWeasley wrote:
This looks like a vote for our horse push move by 99 and Fritz.  Add my vote.  If we get 5 more, I will make the move.
 
Notice I'm changing the majority to 8 since warren is new and has been very active.

 
Add my vote as well.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #78 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 3:39am »
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Yes, let's go with the horse-pushing move.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #79 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 11:11am »
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on Jun 25th, 2008, 4:35pm, RonWeasley wrote:
This looks like a vote for our horse push move by 99 and Fritz.  Add my vote.  If we get 5 more, I will make the move.
 
Notice I'm changing the majority to 8 since warren is new and has been very active.

 
Add my vote too.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #80 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 11:34am »
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on Jun 28th, 2008, 11:11am, arimaa_master wrote:

 
Add my vote too.

I see seven votes for the horse-move so far (99, Fritz, RW, mistre, Warren, Soter, AM), though Fritz's wasn't an explicit vote. We are therefore waiting either for more analysis (I'll withdraw my vote if any important new analysis is posted), a vote from jdb or a vote from a less active poster such as Janzert.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #81 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 12:08pm »
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I'll add my vote, too.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #82 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 12:21pm »
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on Jun 28th, 2008, 12:08pm, The_Jeh wrote:
I'll add my vote, too.

 
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #83 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 7:03pm »
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I'll go for it too.
 
Btw, here is OpFor's analyses after making this move, i.e. from 36w.
 
depth 16
time 9424
nodes 733089475
qnodes 194132715
score -94
pv Eb3e Ec3w dc4s dc3x Hf1w b Cg3w Cf3x dg2n rb5e rc5s w rc4s rc3x Dd4w Eb3n Eb4s b ef2w ee2n ee3w rg6s
 
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #84 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 8:07pm »
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on Jun 28th, 2008, 7:03pm, Janzert wrote:

pv Eb3e Ec3w dc4s dc3x Hf1w b Cg3w Cf3x dg2n rb5e rc5s w rc4s rc3x Dd4w Eb3n Eb4s b ef2w ee2n ee3w rg6s

Interesting that Opfor can't see anything productive for Jean to do on ply 11 and 12.  Thanks for posting, it's good to see that Opfor didn't find any tricky saves for Jean.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #85 on: Jun 28th, 2008, 9:04pm »
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on Jun 28th, 2008, 8:07pm, 99of9 wrote:

Interesting that Opfor can't see anything productive for Jean to do on ply 11 and 12.  Thanks for posting, it's good to see that Opfor didn't find any tricky saves for Jean.

 
At a depth of 12 opfor puts c&g up by almost a rabbit and sends the dog at d4 west and north for steps 11 and 12. But after searching to 13 steps deep the score drops back in our favor and by 14 steps OpFor seems to think the d4 dog advance is bad (maybe leaves the south east too weak?).
 
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #86 on: Jun 29th, 2008, 5:14am »
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I left bomb analyzing for a while and it suggested
 
36w Rc2n Rc3e Rd3e Dd4s
 
What's a good response for us to that?
 
Update: how about
36b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s
 
Update 2: this doesn't seem much different than the other moves we've seen. Nothing to worry about further unless he plays it I think.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #87 on: Jun 30th, 2008, 2:39am »
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I hope Ron will turn up soon...
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #88 on: Jun 30th, 2008, 5:17am »
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on Jun 30th, 2008, 2:39am, Soter wrote:
I hope Ron will turn up soon...

 
I spent the weekend with the family.  Hope that didn't make TheMob ... angry!  I have made the horse push move.
 
Keep in mind that if I go on extended vacation, as I will in August, I can give the password to a substitute moderator.
 
Chessandgo volunteers that he did not expect our last two moves in his analysis.  He didn't say if that was good or bad.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #89 on: Jun 30th, 2008, 9:50am »
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on Jun 30th, 2008, 5:17am, RonWeasley wrote:

 
I spent the weekend with the family.  Hope that didn't make TheMob ... angry!  I have made the horse push move.
 
Keep in mind that if I go on extended vacation, as I will in August, I can give the password to a substitute moderator.
 
Chessandgo volunteers that he did not expect our last two moves in his analysis.  He didn't say if that was good or bad.

We expected his 34w but not his 32w, 33w or 35w. I wonder if we can tell him that without giving too much away.
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