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Re: Move 41
« Reply #30 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 10:00am »
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on Oct 8th, 2008, 8:59am, RonWeasley wrote:
Here's one of the camelback variations:
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Ee3n Ee4s re5s Rg1w
42s rf5w Hg4n ef4e re4e
43g Ee3n rf4n Ee4e Rf1n

It seems chessandgo can offer more resistance with
43g Ee3n rf4n Ee4e Da6e
after which
43s dg3s Ch3w rh4s rc8w
can be met by
44g Ef4s rf5s Ef3s rf4s rf3x
with a few defensive resources remaining for Gold.
 
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #31 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 10:09am »
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If chessandgo chooses a more bland defense to camelback's attack, let's say
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
 
do we still expect to force goal, or do we fall back on accepting H for d trade, or do we have a way to win the H outright?
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #32 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 11:39am »
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Fritz,
 
Here are my responses, at most we will trade a r for H. I think Ron can still find forced goal with his magic wand.
 
41b rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42w Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
42b Hg4n ef4e rf5s re5s
43w Ee3e rf4n Ef3n Rd4n
43b dg3s Ch3w rh4s rc8w
44w Ef4s rf5s Ef3w rf4s rf3x
44b Hg5w eg4n eg5s eg4w
 
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41b rf7s rf6s ce6w rd5e
42w Ee3n Ee4s re5s Rg1w
42b rf5w Hg4n ef4e re4e
43w Ee3n rf4n Ee4e Da6e
43b dg3s Ch3w rh4s rc8w
44w Ef4s rf5s Ef3s rf4s rf3x
44b Hg5w eg4n eg5s eg4w
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #33 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 12:55pm »
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on Oct 9th, 2008, 10:09am, Fritzlein wrote:
If chessandgo chooses a more bland defense to camelback's attack, let's say
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
 
do we still expect to force goal, or do we fall back on accepting H for d trade, or do we have a way to win the H outright?

 
Here's the best I could find.  Essentially, we take the horse without giving up the dog.  The won endgame takes a while, like a jdb puzzle.
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
42s Hg4n ef4e rf5s re5s
43g Ra2n Ra3n Ra4n Ra5n
43s rc8w dg3w df3e Rf2n
44g Db6n cc7e Db7e Rc2w
44s cd6s cd5w rb5s rb4s
45g Rb1w Dc7w Db7s Db6s
45s rb8s cd7s cd6s cc5s
46g Db5n Db6s rb7s Db5s
46s ra8s cd5n Rd4n re4w
47g cc4n Db4e Ra1n Ra2n
47s Hg5w eg4n Hf5n Hf6x eg5w
48g Dc4w rb3e rc3x Db4s Rb2e
48s dg3s Rf3e Rg3n dg2n
49g Ee3s Ee2e Db3e Dc3e
49s ef5w ee5s rd4w ee4w
50g Ef2e dg3w Eg2n Ra3e
50s rg8s df3s rc4w cc5w
51g Rc2w Rb2w rh4n Ch3n
51s Dd3s ed4s rf4w re4s
52g Rg4w Eg3w re3n Ef3w
52s rb4e cb5s Rb3e Rc3x cb4s
53g Ee3s Dd2w Dc2s Ch4w
53s ed3e ee3e ef3e Rf4s Rf3x
54g Ee2n df2w Dc1n Ra2n
54s Cg4w eg3n Cf4n eg4w
55g Rh2n de2s Ee3s Ee2e
55s re4w Cf5n Cf6x ef4n rh5s
56g Dc2e Dd2n rd4e Dd3n
56s ef5s re4s re3w de1n
57g rd3e Dd4s Dd3s
57s rc4s rc3s cb3s rc2s
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #34 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 1:29pm »
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Ron, 50s has a goal Wink
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #35 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 4:31pm »
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on Oct 9th, 2008, 11:39am, camelback wrote:
Here are my responses, at most we will trade a r for H. I think Ron can still find forced goal with his magic wand.
 
41b rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42w Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
42b Hg4n ef4e rf5s re5s
43w Ee3e rf4n Ef3n Rd4n
43b dg3s Ch3w rh4s rc8w
44w Ef4s rf5s Ef3w rf4s rf3x
44b Hg5w eg4n eg5s eg4w

That's a nice tactic to hold his horse on f5 with our elephant on f4.  However, the advanced rabbit can actually get in the way of that in some lines.  For example:
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
42s Hg4n ef4e rf5s re5s
43g re4n Ee3n rf4n Ee4e
43s dg3s Ch3w rh4s re5s
44g Ef4s Rf2w Re2n Ef3s
 
But then this line convinced me
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
42s Hg4n ef4e rf5s re5s
43g re4n Ee3n rf4n Ee4e
43s dg3s Ch3w rh4s rc8w
44g rf5n rf6x Ef4n Ef5s re5e
44s dg2s Rh2w eg4e rh3s
 
with goal to follow
 
Is the Silver e-rabbit more useful on e5, to unfreeze f5, or on e4 to threaten goal?
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
42g Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Rh1n
42s Hg4n ef4e rf5s re5s
43g Ee3e rf4n Ee4n Ra3n
43s Hg5n eg4n rf5w re4s
 
and we do get the horse for only a rabbit.
 
Since Ron has covered the possible Gold counter-attack, and the Gold defense looks mostly hopeless, I guess I'm finally on board for camelback's move in the continuing voice vote.  I'm ready to move if everyone else is too.
 
As if I needed another reminder that my endgame instincts are poor, I originally thought advancing the f7-rabbit to f5 would not be threatening enough, and would allow chessandgo time to consolidate, when in fact it ties him down and makes our advantage clearer.  I hope this kind of analysis eventually helps me repair the big hole in my game.
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #36 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 7:29pm »
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Camelback's move is sagacious. Just casually playing out follow-up moves, everything just seems to naturally and swiftly flow in our favor. I'm behind this move if for no other reason than that I want to see Chessandgo's response.
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #37 on: Oct 9th, 2008, 8:17pm »
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I'm fine with camelback's move as well.
 
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #38 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 1:04am »
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I concur. I'd like to see Camelback's move played.
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #39 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 3:53am »
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TheMob has spoken.  At least enough of it.  I shall play:
 
41s rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #40 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 3:59am »
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on Oct 9th, 2008, 7:42am, UruramTururam wrote:

Btw I thought that C&G is from Ravenclaw...

 
I think anybody who plays as well as chessandgo or Fritzlein is not only a wizard, but uses dark magic and illegal spells.  Slytherins both.
 
I think maybe Adanac is a Ravenclaw.
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #41 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 4:14am »
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Have we considered the reply:
41b rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w  
42w Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Ra2n
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #42 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 5:33am »
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on Oct 10th, 2008, 4:14am, 99of9 wrote:
Have we considered the reply:
41b rf7s rf6s rd5e ce6w  
42w Rg1w Rf1n Da6e Ra2n

 
Looks to me like this would transpose into one of the other variations we've considered, but I'm fully expecting chessandgo to pull some potion out, confuse our rabbits and get the advantage again.
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #43 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 6:07am »
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on Oct 10th, 2008, 3:59am, RonWeasley wrote:

I think anybody who plays as well as chessandgo or Fritzlein is not only a wizard, but uses dark magic and illegal spells.  Slytherins both.

If I recall correctly your namesake once played a high-stakes game of chess in a dungeon that Dumbledore called "the best game of chess Hogwarts has ever seen". Your conclusion that F and C&G are necessarily Slytherins is dubious.
 
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Re: Move 41
« Reply #44 on: Oct 10th, 2008, 6:52am »
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on Oct 10th, 2008, 6:07am, warren wrote:

If I recall correctly your namesake once played a high-stakes game of chess in a dungeon that Dumbledore called "the best game of chess Hogwarts has ever seen". Your conclusion that F and C&G are necessarily Slytherins is dubious.
 

 
Namesake?  What namesake?
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