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Title: Move 31 Post by Fritzlein on May 20th, 2008, 3:13am After Wednesday, I'll be traveling on vacation until the second week of June. I don't know how much time or Internet access I will have while I'm on the road. On this move it would not be good to delay the vote until I have weighed in. :-) |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 22nd, 2008, 4:26am I sent chessandgo a message in our owl game that he has less than 3 days remaining on his clock. Perhaps other reminders are prudent at this time. Feel free. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 22nd, 2008, 12:42pm And chessandgo plays 31w Ha4e Hb4e Hc4n Hc5e. Is it a weapon? Or a target? |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by UruramTururam on May 22nd, 2008, 1:02pm There is no immediate threat created by that horse... But there is a possibility of freezing our horse if it attacks and leaving the golden on free in the middle of the board. At the first glance I don't see any play-worthy answer. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by jdb on May 22nd, 2008, 2:49pm Just to throw something out there to get things started, 31b hb5s Db3w hb4s XXX The cat on c2 is threatened. This limits gold's choices, so it should be reasonble to analyze. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by The_Jeh on May 22nd, 2008, 8:41pm The gold horse's main objective is probably to get to our dog on g2, which would undoubtedly happen were it not for the fact that the horse's absence from the western scene would make it easier for us to generate counterplay there so as to release our elephant. I like jdb's move. It is the logical continuation of our original swarming idea. For a fourth step, I recommend putting something on f7 - probably the rabbit. Or we could delay that and instead advance the rabbit to b6. Perhaps that would be more prudent. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by arimaa_master on May 23rd, 2008, 12:41am Yes, I think that our best answer is (already proposed): 31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 23rd, 2008, 5:08am Yes. jdb has the logical continuation for silver. Gold can't immediately take the h hostage because the r on c3, or the r on b7, can free it while the e can attack the central H. From there we play it like a camel hostage. If gold tries to take our h, silver wins the race by taking the H and returning to defend. I looked at whether the fourth step should be rb7s to help the h on b3 escape, but it isn't needed. rb7s would continue the swarm, but I think rf8s protects the r on g3 if we are pushing the central H to the f3 trap. Also, the H has only three steps since the E must then go to c4. If the H goes back to the west side, we can continue the swarm or consider pushing the cat back with our g2 dog. Our advanced rabbit makes that hard to defend now. With only three steps, the H can't get away from our e. So I prefer hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s over hb5s Db3w hb4s rb7s. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by UruramTururam on May 23rd, 2008, 9:43am I've found nothing better than hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s... Move via consensus? |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 23rd, 2008, 10:07am Three of us have stated a preference. If we get 7, I will make the move. Otherwise if there is no significant discussion, we will vote Monday. This is a mob, so feel free to object and slow it down. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by Soter on May 23rd, 2008, 10:21am I support hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by jdb on May 23rd, 2008, 12:48pm How does silver reply in this line? 31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s 32b Hd5e He5s De3s De2w |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 23rd, 2008, 4:49pm on 05/23/08 at 12:48:13, jdb wrote:
How about ed3e He4n ee3n rb7s? If the gold E goes after the h on b6, it evades while we trap the H. Instead, I'd expect the E to help save the H, leaving the silver h guarding the open frame of the r on c3. We then swarm it with our h being the biggest piece and the swarm frees it. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by mistre on May 23rd, 2008, 6:44pm I concur with 31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s. Does anyone else think that Chessandgo's move was a strategic blunder? I don't see what he was trying to gain from that move and all future lines seem to favor us now. But I have been wrong before and he is sneaky, so maybe he has a trick I am just not seeing... One reason it might be a blunder is that he didn't make a move until his reserve was really low - maybe he couldn't find a good move. If it does turn out to be a defining move of the game, we will have to reconsider our dog charge as being beneficial as that might be one of the reasons that chessandgo decided to move his Horse east. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by jdb on May 23rd, 2008, 7:37pm on 05/23/08 at 16:49:25, RonWeasley wrote:
31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s 32w Hd5e He5s De3s De2w 32b ed3e He4n ee3n rb7s 33w Ed4w Ec4w Eb4n hb3n rc3x I'm not sure who is ahead now. After the horses are exchanged, silver can go after the g3 cat? |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by Janzert on May 23rd, 2008, 9:47pm on 05/23/08 at 19:37:15, jdb wrote:
33b He5n ee4n rb6s hb5w This looks to me like we capture his horse for a horse hostage. But I'm probably missing something. [Edit: and I'm not seeing any other better responses for chessandgo either so I'm in support of 31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s as well.] Janzert |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by woh on May 24th, 2008, 12:54am on 05/23/08 at 21:47:39, Janzert wrote:
I was also thinking that this was what RonWeasley meant with If the gold E goes after the h on b6, it evades while we trap the H. But this is only posible when Gold plays 33w Ed4w Ec4w Eb4e hb3n rc3x, not when he plays 33w Ed4w Ec4w Eb4n hb3n rc3x as jdb suggested. As Gold I think I would be happy with this line. Any other suggestions after 31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s 32w Hd5e He5s De3s De2w ? I just don't feel like giving up our rabbit at c3 now. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by Janzert on May 24th, 2008, 5:03am Oops, yes going north with the elephant on the pull blocks help coming down. Janzert |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by Fritzlein on May 24th, 2008, 7:07am on 05/24/08 at 00:54:53, woh wrote:
31b hb5s Db3w hb4s rf8s . 32w Hd5e He5s De3s De2w . . 32b Rf2s dg2w ed3e rc3e . . . 33w He4e Ed4w rd3n Dd2n . . . . 33b df2w de2w Cc2n dd2w . . . 33w He4e Ed4w rd3w Dd2n . . . . 33b df2w ee3n Dd3e rc3e |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by woh on May 24th, 2008, 9:34am on 05/24/08 at 07:07:53, Fritzlein wrote:
Thanks Fritzlein. I prefer this 32b. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 24th, 2008, 10:29am on 05/24/08 at 00:54:53, woh wrote:
Yes. This is what I meant because I didn't see the Eb4n step, which is better. I like Fritz's continuation and I thought the second variation looked stronger for gold until I saw 33b ee3n Hf4n ee4e rb7s, which trades HC for hr and gives silver an empty east side. I notice Fritzlein's post is a bit terse. I hope that's not because of my "loudest" comment. That was supposed to be an entertaining observation rather than a suggested change in behavior. Sorry if I said it the wrong way. If anything, I would prefer Fritzlein would stay the same and the rest of TheMob get noisier, as I am trying to do. I think I see 8 of us in favor of our move. If there are no objections, I will move Sunday. That allows time for objections. |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by Fritzlein on May 24th, 2008, 12:04pm on 05/24/08 at 10:29:08, RonWeasley wrote:
No, no, it's just that I'm sneaking Arimaa between family functions. I don't even know whether I like the consensus move or not, so I didn't say anything. No time! :) |
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Title: Re: Move 31 Post by RonWeasley on May 25th, 2008, 2:42pm Well, no objections. That means everybody agrees, right? I'm making the move. |
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