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chessandgo
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #15 on: Jun 13th, 2009, 11:21am » |
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on Jun 13th, 2009, 6:45am, Adanac wrote:
After that 15s I would prefer 16g Hf2n rf4w Hf3n to free our horse rather than slower fight in the northwest. |
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Looks better indeed!
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #16 on: Jun 13th, 2009, 11:32am » |
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on Jun 12th, 2009, 6:51am, chessandgo wrote:
so here is another random line:
14g Ef4w he3w Ee4e Cb2n 14s rf7sss ed4s 15g mg3s Eg4s Ha5ne 15s rb8s rc8w rf3s rf7s
Looks complicated (in any case definitely not hopeless).
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Something's wrong with that line. After 14s silver has both a horse and phant on d3.
Update: also the third step of that 14g is illegal.
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #17 on: Jun 14th, 2009, 6:01am » |
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on Jun 13th, 2009, 11:32am, warren wrote:
Something's wrong with that line. After 14s silver has both a horse and phant on d3.
Update: also the third step of that 14g is illegal. |
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Thanks warren, I guess I had copy/pasted the wrong 14g. Hopefully it's now correct.
on Jun 13th, 2009, 6:45am, Adanac wrote:
After that 15s I would prefer 16g Hf2n rf4w Hf3n to free our horse rather than slower fight in the northwest. Of course, if Fritzlein places his rabbit on f3 and horse on f4 with his 15s move then we're forced to fight in the northwest. |
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Looking at this move in front of the position, I now disagree with it. 17s Re2e he3s dd3e x and it seems we lose f2, with an endangered f4 Horse. Unless we can capture something with a quick H+M attack around c6, but at first sight I'd guess we can't.
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Adanac
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #18 on: Jun 14th, 2009, 7:11am » |
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on Jun 14th, 2009, 6:01am, chessandgo wrote:Looking at this move in front of the position, I now disagree with it. 17s Re2e he3s dd3e x and it seems we lose f2, with an endangered f4 Horse. Unless we can capture something with a quick H+M attack around c6, but at first sight I'd guess we can't.
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Hmmm, I was hoping to avoid having our horse buried on f2, but I can't find a way to make it work. We'll end up with a camel hostage/swarm counter-attack. It's not the type of position I prefer to play but I suppose it's inevitable now isn't it?
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #19 on: Jun 16th, 2009, 8:38am » |
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If there are no ideas then I think we should vote soon.
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #20 on: Jun 17th, 2009, 9:08pm » |
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Having checked out the vote, it appears that the move I suggested (14g Ef4w he3w Ee4s Cb2n, as arimaa_master said) was omitted from the poll. In its place is a move Ef4w he3w Ee4e Cb2n that I didn't notice anyone suggest and contains 3 steps reversible in one step.*
I am still not entirely convinced that 14g Ef4e Cb2n Cb3n Mc4s puts us in a winning position. One thing to keep in mind is that the threat to bring pieces to c3 is rather lame so long as that trap is guarded by the e; we have to make captures in c6 instead, and don't have a lot of resources available with which to do that.
So for now I am calling shenanigans on the vote, and abstaining.
* (edit): ok, the description in the vote (pull h->e4, C->b3) is like that. The he3w step followed by an Ee4e is impossible.
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #21 on: Jun 18th, 2009, 5:05am » |
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on Jun 17th, 2009, 9:08pm, Simon wrote:Having checked out the vote, it appears that the move I suggested (14g Ef4w he3w Ee4s Cb2n, as arimaa_master said) was omitted from the poll. In its place is a move Ef4w he3w Ee4e Cb2n that I didn't notice anyone suggest and contains 3 steps reversible in one step.*
So for now I am calling shenanigans on the vote, and abstaining.
* (edit): ok, the description in the vote (pull h->e4, C->b3) is like that. The he3w step followed by an Ee4e is impossible. |
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Oops. I read this move wrong. We will vote again. Sorry.
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #22 on: Jun 20th, 2009, 5:50am » |
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Cb2n Cb3n Mc4s Ef4e wins by a small margin. 9 votes prefer it 5-3 over the similar option ending in Ef4s.
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Re: Move 14
« Reply #23 on: Dec 13th, 2009, 2:55am » |
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Now it's just question to the past ... what advantage gives Eg4 rather than Ef3 to us?
It seems to me Ef3 has one more pros ... one turn he3 capture threat. For taking hostage it works same....
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