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RonWeasley
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Silver moves 27s ec5e ed5s Cd3w ed4s.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #1 on: Jan 7th, 2010, 3:00pm » |
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What about
Cc3s Cb3e Db2n Hf3e?
Leaving the rabbit, but putting dog and horse to good places. Planning to attack eastern rabbits.
But I really don't understand the position.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #2 on: Jan 8th, 2010, 2:29am » |
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How about
Cc3s Df4e Dg4s rg5s?
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #3 on: Jan 8th, 2010, 8:36am » |
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Hello everyone, I’ve been reading for a while and thought I would take the plunge and start discussing as well.
I’m wondering if we should figure out how to use our extra cat yet.
Ec4n Cc3n Db2e Hf3e (or Cb3e Db2n – depending on which side is better for the D.)
This keeps everything alive, with the intent for EC at the C6 trap, assuming we have enough small pieces to continue defending the C3 trap.
on Jan 8th, 2010, 2:29am, Manuel wrote:
Would:
28s hg6s rg4e Cb3(e or w) db4s
Give Fritzlein the choice between ED on one side or switching to EH on the other?
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #4 on: Jan 8th, 2010, 10:43am » |
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on Jan 7th, 2010, 3:00pm, Hippo wrote:What about
Cc3s Cb3e Db2n Hf3e?
Leaving the rabbit, but putting dog and horse to good places. Planning to attack eastern rabbits.
But I really don't understand the position. |
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This was my first instinct.
Note that we don't have to do Cc3s right away to get the dog to b3, but we lose the (very small) virtual threat against the b4 dog. With an extra step I might consider Df4s since I'm worried about the horse or elephant trapping it on f6.
So consider Cb3e Db2n Hf3e Df4s.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #5 on: Jan 8th, 2010, 12:13pm » |
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on Jan 8th, 2010, 10:43am, RonWeasley wrote:
So consider Cb3e Db2n Hf3e Df4s. |
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I am missing something ... don't we have a cat on c3?
May be you mean Cb3w Db2n Hf3e Df4s?
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Re: Move 28f3w
« Reply #6 on: Jan 8th, 2010, 12:40pm » |
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on Jan 8th, 2010, 8:36am, Nombril wrote:
Ec4n Cc3n Db2e Hf3e (or Cb3e Db2n – depending on which side is better for the D.)
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28g Ec4n Cc3n Cb3e Db2n
28s ed3e ee3n Hf3w rh5s and our dog is under attack, there is a goal threat and moving our elephant east means loosing the c4 cat ... may be it can be defended but we are under presure ... or may be we have sufficient counter thread in capturing the b4 dog?
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #7 on: Jan 8th, 2010, 5:04pm » |
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on Jan 8th, 2010, 12:13pm, Hippo wrote:| May be you mean Cb3w Db2n Hf3e Df4s? |
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I like this move best of all. It's great that we can occupy b3 and g3 with strong pieces. We do have some poorly placed pieces but we can re-arrange those later. The important thing is that we've halted Fritz's immediate counter-attacking opportunities and occupied the important squares.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #8 on: Jan 9th, 2010, 6:28am » |
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Quote:| May be you mean Cb3w Db2n Hf3e Df4s? |
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I like that also. The threat to swing his elephant east and horse south to attack appears to be a dangerous plan. This move shuts down his westside attack, and allows us some time in case he actually carries out the eastside threat.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #9 on: Jan 9th, 2010, 8:19am » |
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Hippo, that does look like a dangerous response to my suggestion. I was hoping to go after the c6 trap, but I think Silver will have a faster attack at f3 after your s28.
I agree with Cb3w Db2n Hf3e Df4s.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #10 on: Jan 9th, 2010, 11:10am » |
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I'd like to emphasize the value of a rabbit here. We are a cat ahead, which is pretty big given that there are few pieces left, but if we were to lose a rabbit, like after:
28g Cb3w Db2n Hf3e Df4s
28s Rb5e ca5e Rc5n Rc6x cb5e
the position would be about par I think (in general, I'd say that R could be slightly superior to a cat at endgames, but as here there is a shortage of pieces but not rabbits that might even things out).
In any case, a difference of a rabbit is more than huge, so we just cannot let the Rb5 be captured for the sake of reorganization. An e+d attack (and even less an e+h attack) would be worth much much less than a rabbit imo.
Either threatening an f3 capture or playing E to c5 and D to b3 seem mandatory to me. So either:
28g Cc3s Ec4n Cb3e Db2n (seems fine to me, unless pulling the Df4 with the h or pushing it to f5 with the e are threatening for silver, which they don't see to be)
or
28g Cb3w Db2n Ec4n Hf3e
or
28g Df4e Dg4e rg5s Hf3e
or stuff like that
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #11 on: Jan 9th, 2010, 2:04pm » |
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on Jan 9th, 2010, 11:10am, chessandgo wrote:28g Cc3s Ec4n Cb3e Db2n (seems fine to me, unless pulling the Df4 with the h or pushing it to f5 with the e are threatening for silver, which they don't see to be)
or
28g Cb3w Db2n Ec4n Hf3e
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28g Df4e Dg4e rg5s Hf3e
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If we can stop the counter-attack and keep our rabbit then you've got me convinced. But it seems that if Fritz does push our dog to f5 (in the first 2 variations) then we've introduced needless complications. And our elephant will be lured away from the c6 trap to protect the dog. What's going to be our long-term strategy to hold the rabbit?
In the last variation we keep a big material advantage, but with an even less solid position:
28g Df4e Dg4e rg5s Hf3e
28s Cb3w db4s ra4e hg6s
29g Capture rabbit with horse
29s hg5s rb8e rc8s re7e
I still like our other simple & boring idea of just holding the key squares and keeping our pieces out of danger. And I think we'll eventually recover our lost rabbit due to weak silver rabbits on both sides of the board. Just how valuable is that b5 rabbit? 
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #12 on: Jan 9th, 2010, 5:40pm » |
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What about Cc3s Cb3w Db2n Hf3e.
As the cat is out of the c3 trap, dog can be immediately trapped if the phant leaves. So the f4 dog is protected indirectly (I beleave that even material exchanes are OK for us).
It seems to me the ca5 Rb5 rb6 is good protection of c6 trap for silver. Seems to me after taking the b5 rabbit it became much weaker.
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #13 on: Jan 10th, 2010, 3:33am » |
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wrote a long reply and accidentally erased it 
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Re: Move 28
« Reply #14 on: Jan 10th, 2010, 3:46am » |
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on Jan 9th, 2010, 2:04pm, Adanac wrote:| If we can stop the counter-attack and keep our rabbit then you've got me convinced. But it seems that if Fritz does push our dog to f5 (in the first 2 variations) then we've introduced needless complications. Just how valuable is that b5 rabbit? |
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My point was that if complications were worth a (fraction of a) rabbit then they are necessary 
on Jan 9th, 2010, 2:04pm, Adanac wrote:| I still like our other simple & boring idea of just holding the key squares and keeping our pieces out of danger. And I think we'll eventually recover our lost rabbit due to weak silver rabbits on both sides of the board. |
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What do you play after
28g Cb3w Db2n Hf3e Df4s
28s Rb5e ca5e Rc5n Rc6x cb5e
to go towards regaining the rabbit? I can't see any reason to think we'll be up a rabbit anywhere in the foreseeable future.
on Jan 9th, 2010, 2:04pm, Adanac wrote:In the last variation we keep a big material advantage, but with an even less solid position:
28g Df4e Dg4e rg5s Hf3e
28s Cb3w db4s ra4e hg6s
29g Capture rabbit with horse
29s hg5s rb8e rc8s re7e
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Agreed, this looks bad.
on Jan 9th, 2010, 2:04pm, Adanac wrote:| If we can stop the counter-attack and keep our rabbit then you've got me convinced. But it seems that if Fritz does push our dog to f5 (in the first 2 variations) then we've introduced needless complications. And our elephant will be lured away from the c6 trap to protect the dog. What's going to be our long-term strategy to hold the rabbit? |
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28s ed3n ed4e Df4n ee4e
29g Ec5e Ed5n de6(s or w) Ed6e
and silver needs to protect f6. But maybe
29s ra7e rb7e rc7e re7e
30g Db3w Da3e ra4s (Hf3e or ?)
30s db4e Rb5e ca5e rd7s
is not so promising for us. Hmmm.
Errr, I think I've forgotten half of what I wrote.
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