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RonWeasley
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I'm expecting 30s Rc5n Rc6x cb5e hd5n ed3e.
This keeps gold from advancing the R on f4 because the r on g4 becomes a goal threat. It keeps gold from pushing the h south with the E and making it a hostage.
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #1 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 4:51am » |
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Fritz played:
30s ed3n Rc5n Rc6x hd5w ed4e
I am thinking along the line:
31g de6n Ee5n Dg5n Rh2n
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #2 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 8:30am » |
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The f2 square will need to be defended. Once the f4 rabbit advances the f3 trap will need defenders.
Its probably better to push the e6 dog to d6 instead of e7. Gold is attacking the f6 trap, so we should get the dog as far away from that trap as possible.
31g Dg5n de6w Ee5n (Rh2w or Re1e or Re1n or Rd1e)
I don't know which of the options for the last step is best.
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #3 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 10:06am » |
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I concur with jdb, and recommend Re1e as the final move. I'm not entirely sure why, it just looks like a nicer position at the end than any of the others.
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #4 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 2:17pm » |
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31g de6w Ee5n Dg5n Re1n/e looks logical, but silver can answer
31s hc5e hd5e he5e ee4s
and I'm not sure what we can do next.
How about 31g Re1n Re2e Rf2n Dg5n, not moving the Elephant to prevent silver's horse from reaching f5, and preparing to advance the f4 Rabbit on next move? Silver could flip our Rf4 to prevent that, but we could just occupy f3 and f4 again with Rabbits:
31g Re1n Re2e Rf2n Dg5n
31s ee4s Rf4w Re4w ee3n
32g Rd2e Re2e Rf3n Rf2n
Well, this 31g does not threaten capture on f3, but
31g Re1n Re2e Dg5n x lets silver push the Rf4 back to f3. The goal attack on the east seems pretty important.
EDIT: oh, and it seems to me that the Re1 would be better used on f2 than the Rh2. With two silver advanced rabbits and a single piece to defend, we don't want to weaken our goal defense. In any case, silver might try to mess with our Hg3 with his elephant if we give him time to.
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #5 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 7:59pm » |
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Tonight, I think 31g Re1n Re2e Rf2n Dg5n is great, I don't see a way for silver to stall that goal threat.
But just to throw another option out there...in case someone sees a way out for Fritz, would this be an option to go after the horse?
31g Ee5w hc5s Ed5w Dg5n
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #6 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 8:33pm » |
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I think creating a goal threat is the best think we can do with this turn, so I support chessandgo
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #7 on: Feb 24th, 2010, 8:50pm » |
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It's too bad it didn't get the scoop here, but after being run for quite some time, Quad actually came up with the same move (after sticking to 31g de6n Ee5n Dg5n Re1n for almost all of the time). For proof, here is the entire principal variation (even if the moves do become more dubious, the deeper they are in the line):
31g Dg5n Re1e Rf1n Rf2n
31s Rf4n ee4e Rf5n ef4n
32g Ee5w de6s Rf6w Dg6w
32s Re6w Df6x de5n Rd6w Rc6x de6w
33g hc5s Ed5w hc4s hc3x Ec5s
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #8 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 1:24am » |
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I do think C&G's 31g Re1n Re2e Rf2n Dg5n is a nice move, but I am not yet convinced that attacking the f6 trap is not:
After
31g de6w Ee5n Dg5n Re1n
31s hc5e hd5e he5e ee4s
we can play
32g Dg6w Df6e rf7s Re2e
The f6 trap cannot be saved anymore (giving plenty of chances for slaughtering pieces afterwards) unless silver brings its elephant to e5. In that case we can start killing the advanced rabbits around f3.
@Nombril:
after 31g Ee5w hc5s Ed5w Dg5n
silver can play something like:
31s hc4e hd4n ee4n ee5e
does not look good to me!
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #9 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 1:29am » |
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on Feb 24th, 2010, 8:50pm, aaaa wrote:It's too bad it didn't get the scoop here, but after being run for quite some time, Quad actually came up with the same move (after sticking to 31g de6n Ee5n Dg5n Re1n for almost all of the time). For proof, here is the entire principal variation (even if the moves do become more dubious, the deeper they are in the line):
31g Dg5n Re1e Rf1n Rf2n
31s Rf4n ee4e Rf5n ef4n
32g Ee5w de6s Rf6w Dg6w
32s Re6w Df6x de5n Rd6w Rc6x de6w
33g hc5s Ed5w hc4s hc3x Ec5s |
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Actually that variation I do not like at all, as it would be followed by:
33s rg4w rf4w re4s re3s
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #10 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 3:43am » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2010, 7:59pm, Nombril wrote:
But just to throw another option out there...in case someone sees a way out for Fritz, would this be an option to go after the horse?
31g Ee5w hc5s Ed5w Dg5n
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Maybe 31s Hc4en ed4w hd5e allows silver to move his horse back towards f6 (32g Ec5e he5s Ed5e Re1n 32s Rf4s he4e hf4n ed4e).
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #11 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 3:49am » |
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on Feb 24th, 2010, 8:50pm, aaaa wrote:It's too bad it didn't get the scoop here, but after being run for quite some time, Quad actually came up with the same move (after sticking to 31g de6n Ee5n Dg5n Re1n for almost all of the time). For proof, here is the entire principal variation (even if the moves do become more dubious, the deeper they are in the line):
31g Dg5n Re1e Rf1n Rf2n
31s Rf4n ee4e Rf5n ef4n
32g Ee5w de6s Rf6w Dg6w
32s Re6w Df6x de5n Rd6w Rc6x de6w
33g hc5s Ed5w hc4s hc3x Ec5s |
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31s looks terrible to me. Just 32g de6w Ee5n Rf3n Rd2n looks already excellent for gold. And I agree with Manuel for 33s.
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #12 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 3:59am » |
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on Feb 25th, 2010, 1:24am, Manuel wrote:
After
31g de6w Ee5n Dg5n Re1n
31s hc5e hd5e he5e ee4s
we can play
32g Dg6w Df6e rf7s Re2e
The f6 trap cannot be saved anymore (giving plenty of chances for slaughtering pieces afterwards) unless silver brings its elephant to e5. In that case we can start killing the advanced rabbits around f3.
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oho, nice. The resulting position does look fine, after say
31g Dg5n de6w Ee5n Re1n
31s hc5e hd5e he5e ee4s
32g Dg6w Df6e rf7s Re2e
32s ee3n ee4n rb8e rc8e
33g Hg3s rg4s rg3w rf3x Hg2n
33s rd8e re8e rf8s ra7e.
We capture a rabbit, but silver's horse might hostage our Dog (or cover f3 on next move if we pull the rh4). The Dog hostage would not be so bad actually I think.
I wonder what we can get after
31g Re1e Rf1n Rf2n Dg5n
31s hc5n hc6e de6e df6s looks bad after
32g Ee5n df5w Rf4n Rf3n
but, silver might rather play:
31s hc5n hc6e de6e hd6e
32g Rf4n Rf3n he6w Ee5n
and
32s Rf5w df6s ee4s or 32s Rf5w df6s Rf4s ee4e
seem to defend.
So maybe 31g de6w Ee5n Dg5n Re1n is indeed better?
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #13 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 9:02am » |
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My first impression is to take the g4 rabbit.
Is our potential goal threat or f6 trap control fight more valuable?
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Re: Move 31
« Reply #14 on: Feb 25th, 2010, 10:05am » |
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I am liking 31g de6w Ee5n Dg5n Re1n.
I like the awkward position of silver around f6. It will require babysitting by silver e and that gives gold time to capture the g4 rabbit in the future. The h can't do it because then goal pulls the f7 rabbit to f6.
This also creates a small hole on the d-file that may keep the silver h from advancing for at least another move. If it does, we threaten to move a gold rabbit to d7, which will goal the next turn.
While this move give gold a tempo advantage, I'm not sure how to use it all assuming silver plays well. Do we want to shift things around c3, maybe get the a3 cat into play? Maybe try to take both east side rabbits? The thing I like about the proposed move is that it gives us initiative and time to choose.
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