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Re: Move 35
« Reply #15 on: May 2nd, 2010, 10:43am »
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on May 2nd, 2010, 10:19am, Hippo wrote:
What after  
36s Rc5n Rc6x cb5e dd5n dd6e?

Capture dc4.  I think we can get back and defend f3 w/ E without a concern.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #16 on: May 2nd, 2010, 10:45am »
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on May 2nd, 2010, 10:04am, RonWeasley wrote:
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35g he4s Ee5s rg6e Dg7s

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Re: Move 35
« Reply #17 on: May 2nd, 2010, 11:05am »
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on May 2nd, 2010, 10:43am, Nombril wrote:

Capture dc4.  I think we can get back and defend f3 w/ E without a concern.

?? Are not we losing the Hf2 by 37s eg3sw Rg2s Hf2nx ??
 
(I am not speaking about 35s, but about 36s in c&g variant)
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #18 on: May 2nd, 2010, 11:21am »
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Sorry, I see where you mean now.  Hmm.  We can move Rh1w, plus maybe ra4e Ca3n Ra2n?  and start advancing a C and R up the a-file?
 
Unless Fritz flips Rg2 to f3, it will then be possible to capture on c3, either the r or the d.
 
Or we could consider trying to pull the h3 rabbit back north...though this could be slow.  Not sure where silver can make progress while we do these things...
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #19 on: May 2nd, 2010, 12:53pm »
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on May 2nd, 2010, 8:51am, Nombril wrote:

Would rf7n

 
I yes sorry, I meant rf7n indeed, thanks. I guess it doesn't help to confuse north and south to discuss arimaa. I had a logics teacher who confused true and false, it was cool as well Smiley
 
on May 2nd, 2010, 10:19am, Hippo wrote:

 
What after  
36s Rc5n Rc6x cb5e dd5n dd6e?

 
looks bad for us Sad
 
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #20 on: May 2nd, 2010, 1:10pm »
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We don't have much time ...
there are proposals so far:
 
1) he4s Ee5s he3s Ee4s
    ef4e Hg3s eg4s dc4w?
2) Rh2n Db3n Ee5n Ee6w
      ra7s ra6s rb8s rb8e? ... what else?
       E>d4
        hf2 Rg2
         dc4x Ec4 Re3 and we are OK
 
3) Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s Rh2n
     rc5x + xxx xxx silver seems OK, with just cat for rabbit
     .. or is the  
       rh4w Dh5s Dh4n Rh3n danger enough?
 
4) he4s Ee5s + Dg7 pushing a rabbit out of trap
      rh4s ef4e Hg3w eg4s
       he3s Eh4s Rf2e Hf3s
        Rc5nx cb5e Dd5n Dd6e
    looks bad for us  
 
Except the historic heuristic what is the problem with 2nd variant could you provide an example move sequence?
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #21 on: May 2nd, 2010, 2:11pm »
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My bot came up with the following:
 35g Db3n dd5n Ee5w Ed5s 
35s he4n ef4w ee4s ee3w
36g Ed4e Ee4w he5s Ca3e
36s ed3e he4n he5n ee3w
37g Ed4n dc4e dd6n Ed5n
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #22 on: May 3rd, 2010, 12:10am »
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I am still not sure what to play ... are we still winning?
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #23 on: May 3rd, 2010, 3:39am »
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Hippo - I think we are still winning with at least 3 of these moves.  I'm back to the first plan of putting the E by c6.  Two people have said this is a bad idea, but noone has shown a line that is bad.  Yes, we only have E and R to start with on the attack, but two D can get there in a turn each.
 
I agree with chessandgo that it is some wasted steps from our previous moves.  But I think part of our move was not just to take the h hostage, but prevent the h from getting to f6 and our lonely D.  And Fritzlein has spent some steps putting our rabbit further from his e, to make our goal attack easier if we switch course.
 
Also, it seems the moves aren't written correctly.  Wasn't the original proposal by chessandgo he4s Ee5s rg6e Dg7s ?  I have assumed that the move he4s Ee5s rg6s Dg7s (and description r->f6) is actually rg6e (r -> h6).  For the other two moves with Dg7e I assume this is actually w.  And the cardinal direction in the move is the correct direction, not the ending position description (which is reversed).  I hope others are making the same assumptions?  {but the notation has always confused me - since I have no experience at chess}
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #24 on: May 3rd, 2010, 3:46am »
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Yes, I have e-mailed this voting pool inaccuracy to Ron.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #25 on: May 3rd, 2010, 5:14am »
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Sorry about the mistakes on the vote.  I'm resending.
 
In light of latest discussion, I'm supporting Rh2n Db3n Ee5n Ee6w.  Given the trouble we get on the east from a silver rabbit getting to h3, I think we're forced to put ours there.  Starting a new goal threat through c6 seems like the strongest counterplay.  I don't worry about reversing steps.  We don't seem to be in agreement, but if anyone wants to voice vote for this move, I will play it if we get 5.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #26 on: May 3rd, 2010, 5:24am »
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After some back and forth, I'm at Rh2n Db3n Ee5n Ee6w also.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #27 on: May 3rd, 2010, 8:10am »
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I really think that the focus, for both gold and silver, is on the eastern wing. If one players attacks on the west and another on the east, the latter will prevail. As for our goal attack for example, there are three silver defenders in the west and a single one in the east.
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Re: Move 35
« Reply #28 on: May 4th, 2010, 4:12am »
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The winner, with only 5 votes cast, Rh2n Db3n Ee5n Ee6w.
 
It took three tries for me to get the candidate moves right.  And the few remaining mobsters were not very confident in this move.  Perhaps this will confuse Fritz as much as us.
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