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RonWeasley
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I was thinking if silver reverses our move 36, I would just play it again and gain the reserve time. Fritz wisely is not doing this, but if he does, I think playing immediately and gaining the time is best action.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #1 on: May 17th, 2010, 5:12am » |
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Err, exactly how could Fritz reverse this move??
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #2 on: May 17th, 2010, 7:20am » |
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I'm guessing Ron meant flipping the rabbit we just moved into the f3 trap. Which we could reverse...
Having the rabbit in the trap could help our defense in that wing. Would we be better off advancing the h1 rabbit two steps, plus two steps somewhere else?
I thought we were more worried about the h moving around in front of our rabbit. So I'm not sure the extra time is worth giving Fritz a chance to make a better move.
But if there is some consensus that getting an extra 6 days of reserve is worth some possible positional advantage, I'm willing to put more thought into this now.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #3 on: May 17th, 2010, 10:08am » |
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on May 17th, 2010, 7:20am, Nombril wrote:I'm guessing Ron meant flipping the rabbit we just moved into the f3 trap. Which we could reverse...
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Yes. That. And that would mean Fritz could move it to the trap again and gain time himself. I think he would, especially if we undid his move immediately. I think the time is more valuable to us than him.
But since he hasn't done it yet, he probably won't and we should expect the horse move instead.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #4 on: May 17th, 2010, 12:35pm » |
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I agree with Ron, if he flips the R into f3 I'm for reversing the move immediately as well.
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Manuel
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #5 on: May 18th, 2010, 4:55am » |
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Fritzlein moved:
36s he3n he4n he5e hf5e
I am looking at:
37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Dg7n,
threatening both silver dogs (one into c3 and one into c6)
Alternative 4th step could be: Rh1n
However, I am a little bit afraid of:
37s rh4s Rg4e ef4e hg5e
followed by
38s eg4w Hg3n Hg4n ef4e (apart from the goal threat that can be stopped)
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #6 on: May 18th, 2010, 5:15am » |
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Analyzing the position a bit further I don't think we will be able to spend 4 steps in actually killing a dog after my proposed move without losing our horse or even getting a goal against.
So we should spend some more steps in the east to stop the threat.
My new proposal would be:
37g Rh1n Rh2n Ed6s Dg7n
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #7 on: May 18th, 2010, 5:16am » |
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I also came up with 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n. The rabbit on h2 keeps the h-file blocked.
After Manuel's 38s, 39g Rf2e Ca3e Cb3n Ec5e is a sustainable goal threat. That is, after 38g rb6w Db5n dc5n dc6x Ed5w.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #8 on: May 18th, 2010, 5:42am » |
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on May 18th, 2010, 5:16am, RonWeasley wrote:I also came up with 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n. The rabbit on h2 keeps the h-file blocked.
After Manuel's 38s, 39g Rf2e Ca3e Cb3n Ec5e is a sustainable goal threat. That is, after 38g rb6w Db5n dc5n dc6x Ed5w. |
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ok, so 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n is not as risky as I thought.
In that case I think we should expect:
37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n
37s ra7e rb7e rg6e hf5n
38g dd4s Ed5s dd3w dc3x Ed4s
38s hg6s Dg7s Dg6w Df6x hg5n
39g Ed3n Rc4w Ed4n Rd2n
The alternative still being:
37g Rh1n Rh2n Ed6s Dg7n
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #9 on: May 18th, 2010, 5:52am » |
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I was thinking about the same ... before Fritzlein played his move (freezing both dogs with Rh2). Originally there was step aside with g7 dog. But it seems to me exchange race would favorize us creating c file goal threats meanwhile.
I have to look at it now more carefully.
Our dog on g7 prevents the fg rabbits from advancing ... on h7 or g8 it is just hiding. ... If we could win dog for free, it may be advantage to hide temporarily, if not, I would like dog exchange rather than passive dog.
on May 18th, 2010, 5:42am, Manuel wrote:
ok, so 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n is not as risky as I thought.
In that case I think we should expect:
37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n
37s ra7e rb7e rg6e hf5n
38g dd4s Ed5s dd3w dc3x Ed4s
38s hg6s Dg7s Dg6w Df6x hg5n
39g Ed3n Rc4w Ed4n Rd2n
The alternative still being:
37g Rh1n Rh2n Ed6s Dg7n
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Or
39g Ed3nn Rd2nn with goal attack instead of dog capture threat. ... but the silver horse could be also at e6 or f5 after 38s.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #10 on: May 18th, 2010, 9:19am » |
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on May 18th, 2010, 5:16am, RonWeasley wrote:I also came up with 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n. The rabbit on h2 keeps the h-file blocked.
After Manuel's 38s, 39g Rf2e Ca3e Cb3n Ec5e is a sustainable goal threat. That is, after 38g rb6w Db5n dc5n dc6x Ed5w. |
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I like this move for 37g. It pretty much forces a dog exchange, which favours gold.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #11 on: May 18th, 2010, 9:27am » |
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on May 18th, 2010, 5:16am, RonWeasley wrote:I also came up with 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n. The rabbit on h2 keeps the h-file blocked.
After Manuel's 38s, 39g Rf2e Ca3e Cb3n Ec5e is a sustainable goal threat. That is, after 38g rb6w Db5n dc5n dc6x Ed5w. |
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Oh yes, this goal race looks good for us. But should be checked carefully ... Fritz could prolong our attack to 5 steps long putting r to c8 by one step. He can use remaining 3 steps to create his own attack. There are at least 2 possibilities, but seems to me we can prevent them by less than 4 steps and advance our rabbit. There seems is not easy way how to prolong our goal attack more. Quad could easily check it ...
Hmm ... what about
37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n
37s rh4s hg5e Rg4e ef4e
38g rb6w Db5n dc5n dc6x Ed5w
38s Hg3s eg4s Hg2s eg3s? are we losing?
39g Rd2e Re2n Re3e Rf3e
39s Rf2n eg2w ef2e ra4e hg5s
40g Cc2e Cd2e Ce2n Ca3e?
I am looking on other goal races as well ...
37g Ed6s cb5w Db4n Rf2e
37s rh4s Rg4e ef4e hg5e
38g rb6w Db5n dc5n dc6x Ed5w
38s Rc4s dd4w Hg3w Hf3x eg4s
39g Rc3e dc4s dc3x Ec5s Rd3n
39s Rg2w eg3s rb8e rc8e
40g Rd4n Rd5n Rd6n Rh1n
We have to play very cerefully now. More then before each step is important now. I wish we thought more on responses to hg5 on previous turn.
37g Ed6s cb5w Db4n Rh1n
37s rh4s Rg4e ef4e rb8e
38g dd4s Ed5s dd3w dc3x Ed4s
38s Hg3s eg4s Hg2s eg3s
39g Ed3e Ee3e Ef3e xxx
Seems we are OK in this variant having dog more with no fear of goal, but position where we would probably have to exchange the dog later for the advanced rabbit?
Or
37g Ed6s cb5w Db4n Rh1n
37s rh4s Rg4e ef4e rb8e
38g dd4s Ed5s dd3w dc3x Ed4s
38s rg6e hg5n hg6s Dg7s
39g Rf2e Rd2e Re2n Ed3n
39s Dg6w Df6x hg5n hg6w hf6s
40g Hg3w rh3w Hf3s rg3w rf3x
40s dc5n Rc4n dc6e Rc5n Rc6x
41g ra4e Ca3n rb4e Ca4e?
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #12 on: May 18th, 2010, 10:57am » |
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I wonder if we can do better than a dog exchange?
Lets look at Manuel's suggestion: 37g Ed6s Rh1n Rh2n Dg7n
So, possible responses (I don't think he would do the first two...):
a. taking our c4 Rabbit gives us a dog.
b. moving both dogs south should allow us time to hostage one and start capturing at the c3 trap.
c. maybe this one is feasible?
37s ef4w dd4se ee4e
but I think we could pull the dog 1 or two steps with our 38g and go on to threaten the dog on e3.
d. any other responses?
How does this look?
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #13 on: May 19th, 2010, 3:18am » |
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on May 18th, 2010, 5:16am, RonWeasley wrote:| I also came up with 37g cb5w Db4n Ed6s Rh1n. |
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on May 18th, 2010, 9:19am, jdb wrote:| I like this move for 37g. It pretty much forces a dog exchange, which favours gold. |
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on May 18th, 2010, 10:57am, Nombril wrote:I wonder if we can do better than a dog exchange?
Lets look at Manuel's suggestion: 37g Ed6s Rh1n Rh2n Dg7n
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This looks fine as well. I think that 37g Ed6s Rh1n Rh2n Dg7n is somewhat more risky though (since our Dh7 is lost long-term, so if silver manages to avoid a c3 capture we might be in trouble), while the position after
37g Ed6s cb5w Db4n Rh1n
37s rg6e hg5n ra7e rb7e
38g dd4s Ed5s dd3w dc3x Ed4s
38s hg6s Dg7s Dg6w Df6x hg5n
is more straightforward. Silver can threaten no capture, we have the move, and our central goal threats will be somewhat difficult to stop as silver has only 3 pieces left, so I'm all for 37g Ed6s cb5w Db4n Rh1n.
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Re: Move 37
« Reply #14 on: May 19th, 2010, 5:05am » |
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Voice vote for 37g Ed6s cb5w Db4n Rh1n?
I count three so far: me, jdb, chessandgo. I'll move if we get 6. Otherwise, we'll begin voting tomorrow unless more discussion is needed.
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