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jdb
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38b Hg3w eg4s rh4s rb8e
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #1 on: May 29th, 2010, 1:58pm » |
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on May 22nd, 2010, 6:03am, chessandgo wrote:
Also 39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e seems to pretty much kill the game (I guess the resulting position should be a goal in 3/4 or 5 maybe). |
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I definitely like this 39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e - I agree on a quick goal - I don´t see how Fritz can defend.
Here bots can help greatly - JDB can you find out what does Clueless suggest for the best defence (or better approve 39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e to be goal in x moves)?
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #2 on: May 29th, 2010, 4:28pm » |
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What do we do about 39s eg3s eg2n Rh2w rh3s? Seems to me that 39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e loses in 2.
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #3 on: May 29th, 2010, 4:36pm » |
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g2 is occupied, so that 39s doesn't work, however, Fritz can play Rg2w ef3s rh6ss, which looks dangerous, although I think we can block it fairly well with 40g Hf3nes rh4w
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #4 on: May 29th, 2010, 7:42pm » |
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on May 29th, 2010, 1:58pm, arimaa_master wrote:
I definitely like this 39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e - I agree on a quick goal - I don´t see how Fritz can defend.
Here bots can help greatly - JDB can you find out what does Clueless suggest for the best defence (or better approve 39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e to be goal in x moves)? |
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This is a win for SILVER.
D:12 00:46.03 WON 4 rh6s rh5s Rg2w eg3s Hf3n Hf4e Hg4s rh4w hg6e hh6s hh5s Rg5e rf7s rf6x Dg7w Ed5n Ed6s
F:12 00:46.03 WON 4 Nodes: 1906827 QNodes: 1136331 QDefNodes: 2696023 QAttNodes: 190355 kNPS: 41
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #5 on: May 29th, 2010, 8:03pm » |
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I think all 4 moves on defense are required this time.
39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Hf3s ?
I think we have more than 5 turns to go!
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #6 on: May 29th, 2010, 10:45pm » |
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Clueless likes:
39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e
All of these are forced goals:
39s rh6s rh5s Rg2w eg3s
40g Hg4s rh4w Cc2n Rc4n Cc3x
39s Rg2s eg3s rh3w eg2w
40g Rd2n Cc2e Rd3w Cd2e
39s Hg4w eg3n rh6s rc8s
40g Cc2n Rc4n Cc3x Rc5n Ed5n
39s Hg4w eg3n rc8s ca5e
40g Rd2e Cc2n Rc4n Cc3x Rc5n
Edit:
typo, last step should be Hf4e
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #7 on: May 30th, 2010, 3:58am » |
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I like this much better than my suggestion last night. With my move we will be locked into a lot of steps for a few turns, and could probably end up loosing our DR by the f6 trap.
Though I think Clueless is actually looking at 39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e based on the 40g move.
39s Hg4w eg3n rc8s rh6s
could stall for a bit?
If Fritz moves rh6ss, we can get a forced goal down the h files pretty quickly. So I would expect he will look for something else to do.
I don't like the cat sac unless we have a forced goal.
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #8 on: May 30th, 2010, 5:19am » |
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on May 29th, 2010, 7:42pm, jdb wrote:
This is a win for SILVER.
h6s rh5s Rg2w eg3s Hf3n Hf4e Hg4s rh4w hg6e hh6s hh5s
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ouch
on May 29th, 2010, 10:45pm, jdb wrote:Clueless likes:
39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e
39s rh6s rh5s Rg2w eg3s
40g Hg4s rh4w Cc2n Rc4n Cc3x
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This looks good indeed. The Hg3 can't be captured on 39s I think
39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e
39s Hg4w eg3n Hf4s Hf3x eg4w
40g Rg2n Cc2n Rc4n Cc3x Rc5n
on May 30th, 2010, 3:58am, Nombril wrote:
39s Hg4w eg3n rc8s rh6s
could stall for a bit?
I don't like the cat sac unless we have a forced goal. |
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39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e
39s Hg4w eg3n rh6s rc8s
40g Cc2n Rc4n Cc3x Rc5n Ed5n is a forced goal maybe?
And in jdb's line the cat sac looks very much like a forced goal, unless you found a defense?
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #9 on: May 30th, 2010, 6:05am » |
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The original post has been updated with the forced goals for the following move:
39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e
Clueless has not found a defense for this move, so far. It should finish checking all the moves in the next day or two. If there is any specific move someone is interested in, I can have clueless take a look.
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #10 on: May 30th, 2010, 6:43am » |
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I'm comfortable with both cat sac's in Clueless's lines. I hadn't seen the 4th step using Ed5n to force goal. I guess I was overly pessimistic yesterday thinking we had more than 5 turns left. I think I have mentioned before how slow my goal attack can be - it is great to see some of these possibilities.
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #11 on: May 30th, 2010, 10:24am » |
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on May 29th, 2010, 7:42pm, jdb wrote:
39g Rd2e Re2n Rf2e Ec5e
This is a win for SILVER.
D:12 00:46.03 WON 4 rh6s rh5s Rg2w eg3s Hf3n Hf4e Hg4s rh4w hg6e hh6s hh5s Rg5e rf7s rf6x Dg7w Ed5n Ed6s
F:12 00:46.03 WON 4 Nodes: 1906827 QNodes: 1136331 QDefNodes: 2696023 QAttNodes: 190355 kNPS: 41
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That's why I called for bots help 
It is great to have Clueless for disposal - thank you
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #12 on: May 30th, 2010, 10:28am » |
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on May 30th, 2010, 6:05am, jdb wrote:The original post has been updated with the forced goals for the following move:
39g Hf3n Rf2e Ec5e Hf4e
Clueless has not found a defense for this move, so far. It should finish checking all the moves in the next day or two. If there is any specific move someone is interested in, I can have clueless take a look. |
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The 4th step is really cool - I wouldn´t find it in this century
Great! Let's wait and if it will be ok then finish it!
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #13 on: May 30th, 2010, 11:34am » |
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I think that the fewer pieces there are on the board the stronger the bots get vis a vis the humans. Chances are that in this game we have reached the point where Clueless is better than any human including Fritz.
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Re: Move 39
« Reply #14 on: May 30th, 2010, 3:56pm » |
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on May 30th, 2010, 6:05am, jdb wrote:| If there is any specific move someone is interested in, I can have clueless take a look. |
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I was going to suggest 39g Hf3w Rf2e Rd2e Re2e. What does clueless think of that?
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