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supersamu
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #15 on: Jul 13th, 2015, 11:54am » |
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Elephant forward three times and b-file Horse forward once is a very standard and natural development. I agree that advancing the other horse or the camel is not urgent and might come back to bite us.
Elephant forward twice and b-file Horse forward twice looks unusual. I am not sure what it accomplishes relative to the other suggestion. Harvestsnow said that we threaten to place our horse on a6, but we do so already with the first suggestion. I agree with clyring that the two moves are very likely to transpose. Honestly, I tried writing about which of the first two moves I like more for about 15 minutes, but I couldn't come up with a reason to prefer one over the other.
Elephant forward once and b-file Horse forward three times:
I couldn't find any refutation to that move, but the advancement feels a bit premature to me.
A position like this seems fine to me:
2g Ee2n Hb2n Hb3n Hb4n
2s ed7s ed6s ed5w hb7s
3g Ee3w Ed3n Ed4n Ed5n
3s ec5s Hb5e Hc5e ec4n
But sharp could also play like this:
2g Ee2n Hb2n Hb3n Hb4n
2s ed7s ed6s ed5w mg7s
3g Ee3w Ed3n Ed4n Ed5n
3s mg6s mg5s mg4s xxxx
Seems very messy.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #16 on: Jul 14th, 2015, 1:51am » |
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on Jul 13th, 2015, 11:54am, supersamu wrote:
But sharp could also play like this:
2g Ee2n Hb2n Hb3n Hb4n
2s ed7s ed6s ed5w mg7s
3g Ee3w Ed3n Ed4n Ed5n
3s mg6s mg5s mg4s xxxx
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I'm not entirely convinced silver gets out of this particular line without any tactical trouble (though it is complicated), but I had related ideas in mind in my awkward feeling. Our attack seems premature here and we aren't quickly threatening to gain control around c6, allowing silver to engage in shenanigans in the east. Probably we would be forced to lose a lot of time posturing our camel defensively in the east. It's for this reason as well that I currently like keeping our elephant only on the fourth rank as a deterrent to silver eastern aggression for the next couple of moves, while we see how silver responds to something like 3g Hb4wnn De1n, although we do have to then consider how we respond to 2g Ee2nn Hb2nn 2s hb7s ed7sss as then the aforementioned 3g Hb4wnn De1n might permit 3s hh7ssss, when there are a lot of lines to consider, but in the worst case we can still transpose on 3g in response to almost any particular 2s. (And I don't think moves like 2s ed7sse hb7s are worth worrying about.)
on Jul 13th, 2015, 11:54am, supersamu wrote:| Elephant forward twice and b-file Horse forward twice looks unusual. I am not sure what it accomplishes relative to the other suggestion. Harvestsnow said that we threaten to place our horse on a6, but we do so already with the first suggestion. |
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I also don't view access to a6 is much different with two horse steps than with one. It takes one step fewer, so I suppose we could in principle push into an occupied a6 if there is no silver rabbit on a7 after the Hbnn, but I don't expect this line against either move and don't know if I would even want to push into a6 in response.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #17 on: Jul 15th, 2015, 5:20am » |
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1. 2. 3.
1. Ee2nnn Hb2n -- 12 16
2. Ee2nn Hb2nn 03 -- 12
3. More discussion 02 04 --
(Nonbreaking spaces ftw!)
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #18 on: Jul 15th, 2015, 8:32am » |
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on Jul 15th, 2015, 5:20am, clyring wrote: 1. 2. 3.
1. Ee2nnn Hb2n -- 12 16
2. Ee2nn Hb2nn 03 -- 12
3. More discussion 02 04 --
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Thanks for giving the details. 18/22 voted. The 22 with right to vote were:
Algorias, arimaa_master, aurelian, browni3141, chessandgo, clyring, CraggyCornmeal, DeathCure, deep_blue, half_integer, Harren, harvestsnow, Hufflepup, ikalyoncu, Knedlik, phairland, RonWeasley, Samraku, SilverMitt, Skarn, supersamu, Therin8.
In other words Therin8 joined while PerkofBR takes a break.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #19 on: Jul 16th, 2015, 3:30am » |
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I've experimented over the years with attacking as early as possible in all kinds of openings. In the end though, against good play you have to take time to develop pieces and shore up home traps soon enough. Attacking too early is not the right thing to do in my experience (unfortunately), so any reasonable development step is fairly equivalent in moves 2 and 3 imo.
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