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(Message started by: mdk on Dec 6th, 2009, 5:20pm)
Title: Move 26
Post by mdk on Dec 6th, 2009, 5:20pm
And Fritz finally moves 25s Md6w Mc6x ed5n cb5w rb4n
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 7th, 2009, 2:45am
What about cv(x)D<E<^?
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by chessandgo on Dec 7th, 2009, 3:45am

on 12/07/09 at 02:45:15, Hippo wrote:
What about cv(x)D<E<^?


Yeah, +1
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 7th, 2009, 6:39am
We must watch carefully silver's rabbit, but it is one step short ...
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 7th, 2009, 6:52am

on 12/07/09 at 02:45:15, Hippo wrote:
What about cv(x)D<E<^?

I looked at other moves, like taking the cat with the horse and threatening to flip the dog.  The silver elephant can defend.  So I'm in favor of Hippo's move.

A silver rabbit push to g2 is easy to defend and makes problems for silver.  I was concerned about a silver dog pushing its way onto b3 and leading a e-d attack.  Hippo's move makes that plan much harder.  It even defends our R.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Sconibulus on Dec 7th, 2009, 7:18am
A push all the way to g2 might be easily defensible, but what about a combination of both the lead rabbits and the horse to freeze the dog?

To me the East feels too weak, I'd probably cross the horse over the trap, pulling the cat, and advance the elephant. Although I'll admit I'm not the most experienced at this.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 7th, 2009, 10:33am

on 12/07/09 at 07:18:09, Sconibulus wrote:
A push all the way to g2 might be easily defensible, but what about a combination of both the lead rabbits and the horse to freeze the dog?

To me the East feels too weak, I'd probably cross the horse over the trap, pulling the cat, and advance the elephant. Although I'll admit I'm not the most experienced at this.


We could respond to the rabbits-horse advance by moving our e3 H to g3.  Our central E might even threaten the silver h,   So I'm not worried about the rabbits.  If anything, I worry about over-committing our E to the west if we trap the c5 dog on c3 and silver moves the h to g3.  However, I think we have the resources to stop any eastern attack and eventually clean it up with a huge material advantage.

I looked at the above suggestion for us and I think it gives silver the b5 rabbit too easily with no compensation.  A dog flip doesn't win anything really and pulling the g4 rabbit is available in many future lines.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by jdb on Dec 7th, 2009, 11:47am
How about
25 Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 7th, 2009, 12:11pm

on 12/07/09 at 11:47:56, jdb wrote:
How about
25 Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w

It will complicate things ... I can hardly orient in such positions ... Silver can centralize his elephant and go for de attack on c3. The a4 rabbit may become dangerous in that case.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 7th, 2009, 1:19pm

on 12/07/09 at 11:47:56, jdb wrote:
How about
25 Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w

This move has merit.  However, I'm not sure I like the position after 26s ee6s ee5s Ce3w ee4s, which sets up an e-d attack.  We have a protected advanced rabbit, but it will be hard to advance further from this position.  We would take the cat with our H on the next move.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 7th, 2009, 2:14pm

on 12/07/09 at 13:19:05, RonWeasley wrote:
This move has merit.  However, I'm not sure I like the position after 26s ee6s ee5s Ce3w ee4s, which sets up an e-d attack.  We have a protected advanced rabbit, but it will be hard to advance further from this position.  We would take the cat with our H on the next move.

This would loose dc4. I would expect 26s: ee6s ee5s dd4w (and some rabbit move ... ra7e?)

Oops ... sorry the c6 trap is protected by rb6.

ca5+rb6 hold our rabbit safely ... I cannot see what will we gain from opponent e-d attack. Especially when we need some steps to take the cat.

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26g: Ee4wn cf4s Dg5w
26s: de6en ed6es
if we take the dog on 27g, silver will push our dog to f5 with ef4 and the goal attack would not allow us to make it safe

27g: He3ee Df4s + ? And our position looks well.
Attacks on west are hold by E, and we can start pulling east rabbits.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by jdb on Dec 7th, 2009, 4:23pm

on 12/07/09 at 13:19:05, RonWeasley wrote:
This move has merit.  However, I'm not sure I like the position after 26s ee6s ee5s Ce3w ee4s, which sets up an e-d attack.  We have a protected advanced rabbit, but it will be hard to advance further from this position.  We would take the cat with our H on the next move.


26g Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w
26s ee6s ee5s Ce3w ee4s

27g Cb3n Cc3w Ra2n xxxx   (maybe Rh2w, or Ra1n)

This threatens to frame the dog on c3 and makes a wall so the dog can't run away.

Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 7th, 2009, 11:28pm

on 12/07/09 at 16:23:08, jdb wrote:
26g Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w
26s ee6s ee5s Ce3w ee4s

27g Cb3n Cc3w Ra2n xxxx   (maybe Rh2w, or Ra1n)

This threatens to frame the dog on c3 and makes a wall so the dog can't run away.

27s hg6wss cf4w
28g dc4s Ec5s Ra2e xxx (Rh1w)
28s
... E could be hardly rotated from the frame and D is in big danger, the cat advantage is lost.

The frame plan would not work at all with 26s ending with db4 ed4.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 8th, 2009, 6:54am

on 12/07/09 at 16:23:08, jdb wrote:
26g Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w
26s ee6s ee5s Ce3w ee4s

27g Cb3n Cc3w Ra2n xxxx   (maybe Rh2w, or Ra1n)

This threatens to frame the dog on c3 and makes a wall so the dog can't run away.

27s rg5w cf4w rf5w ce5w

Then we get the dog frame but not much else.  I don't think the position is not enough compensation for letting the cat go.

So I still prefer 26g cf4s cf3x Dg4w Ee4n Ee5w.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Adanac on Dec 9th, 2009, 5:00am
I much prefer the simple, strong cat capture over the dog push to c4, which could get very messy.  The elephant move to d5 is great – we simultaneously protect our rabbit, threaten the c5 dog and leave Fritzlein with a poorly placed silver elephant.

Those eastern silver rabbits look really dangerous with our vacant g3, but I can't see any tangible threat.  I think we're OK and we can move our horse over to g3 soon, possibly next move.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 9th, 2009, 10:57am
Based on the low number of posts, I'm starting a voice vote for

26g cf4s cf3x Dg4w Ee4n Ee5w.

I'll count me, Adanac, and Hippo.  chessandgo has to vote again since other information has been posted since he last wrote.  I realize jdb may still have comments in favor of the dog push (or Sconibulus and the cat capture with a horse pull), so he or anybody else is encouraged to stop the voice vote if he thinks it's premature.  6 votes total, without objections, and I'll make the move.  If we don't get the votes, I'll start a formal vote Thursday afternoon.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by chessandgo on Dec 11th, 2009, 8:44am
26g Ee4n Ee5w dc5s Ed5w
26s ed6s ed5s dc4w ed4e

and we have to hurry the cat capture; feels worse than 26g Ee4n Ee5w cf4s cf3x Dg4w where we have the impetus with the threats (and silver's elephant is less active), while silver has it in the above variation.

With weak silver rabbits on both sides, I think retaining initiative is very important and might be rewarded with a quick rabbit capture.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 11th, 2009, 1:25pm
Yes, ed4> is much stronger last step than ra7>.
OK, we(I) have 4 votes so far.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Sconibulus on Dec 11th, 2009, 2:03pm
Yeah, looking at the board again, I see that as holey as the board looks, there's really no way to slip through anytime soon. Count me in favor of 26g cf4s cf3x Dg4w Ee4n Ee5w.
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by RonWeasley on Dec 12th, 2009, 8:39am
Trapping the cat and E to d5 wins 6 to nothing!
Title: Re: Move 26
Post by Hippo on Dec 12th, 2009, 11:45am
BTW: I didn't note possible answer
26s d>e>vv
27g HD>> ??


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