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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #15 on: Jan 11th, 2012, 3:53am »
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go to the "scheduled games" tab down at the bottom of the main gameroom screen, just scroll down, it will show you the times of the matches of round one, round two hasn't been scheduled yet (the players can only be paired after round 1) alternatively, click on wiki on the right then on events then WC 2012 and there should information about the wc, losses/wins of players etc. etc.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #16 on: Jan 11th, 2012, 4:24am »
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on Jan 11th, 2012, 3:53am, Tuks wrote:
... click on wiki on the right then on events then WC 2012 and there should information about the wc, losses/wins of players etc. etc.

 
Perfect!!! Thank you!
 
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #17 on: Jan 11th, 2012, 3:17pm »
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There is one round per week.  Each round is scheduled Tuesday night.  After the games are scheduled, you can see the time by logging in to the game room.  This week the games seem to be clustered on Saturday morning (U.S. time).
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #18 on: Jan 13th, 2012, 8:21am »
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I've updated the links in the gameroom menu to point to the 2012 events now. If you still see the old links, you might have to click on the 'Refresh' link in the top right corner of the gameroom.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #19 on: Jan 14th, 2012, 6:24pm »
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It looks like I missed a lot of excitement, including the hanzack vs. rabbits game of the day.  Congrats, hanzack, on a wild win!  I see from the chat archives that there were 49 simultaneous logins and 28 simultaneously in chat.  Did anyone notice the number of peak radio listeners, or were there too many problems with radio for an audience to accumulate?
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #20 on: Jan 14th, 2012, 11:11pm »
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How does the radio count work - with multiple games - if you have two event games open do you count as 1 or 2 listeners?
 
I saw over 20 while I was playing, maybe 24 or 26.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #21 on: Jan 14th, 2012, 11:15pm »
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on Jan 14th, 2012, 11:11pm, Nombril wrote:
How does the radio count work - with multiple games - if you have two event games open do you count as 1 or 2 listeners?

As far as I know, there can't be multiple radio broadcasts.  If there is a radio broadcast, that is what you hear no matter which game you open.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #22 on: Jan 22nd, 2012, 11:25am »
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on Jan 14th, 2012, 11:11pm, Nombril wrote:
I saw over 20 while I was playing, maybe 24 or 26.

We eked past that with 27 peak listeners for your game against chessandgo, plus about 4 in TeamSpeak.  The number of people in the game room and chat however, didn't match the high from the first round.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #23 on: Jan 22nd, 2012, 1:26pm »
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doesn't that count inculde all people who have the game window open, even if they have hit "pause" because they listen to TS?
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #24 on: Jan 22nd, 2012, 4:40pm »
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on Jan 22nd, 2012, 1:26pm, chessandgo wrote:
doesn't that count inculde all people who have the game window open, even if they have hit "pause" because they listen to TS?

I don't think it counts people who have the radio on pause, which is why I mentioned the +4 for TeamSpeak.  It should be pretty easy to test my hypothesis by pausing and unpausing, refreshing the number of listeners in between, to see whether you can make it go up and down by one.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #25 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 9:56am »
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Hanzack's upset of chessandgo vaults hanzack up to #4 on the WHR rating list, with a rating of 2405.  True, this rating is still extremely volatile, as it is based on only twelve games, but I when I am trying to decide how scared to be, I tend to trust objective measures like WHR more than my subjective impressions of how well someone is playing.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #26 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 3:09pm »
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During my game with rabbits we set a new tournament high with (as near as I saw) 30 peak radio listeners plus two in TeamSpeak.  Also I saw 45 in the game room and 19 in chat, but those aren't even tournament records.  Kudos to Arimabuff and Simon for entertaining commentary to keep the audience engaged!
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #27 on: Jan 29th, 2012, 4:22pm »
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I thought I basically understood the pairing algorithm, but seeing the pairings for round 4 confuses me.  The standings are:
 
1   hanzack     3  0   2.9561       
2   Fritzlein   2  0   2.0535     
3   Adanac .    2  0   1.5778       
4   chessandgo  1  1   1.1078  
5   Nombril     2  1   0.0718       
6   rabbits     1  2   0.2643       
7   ocmiente    1  2  -0.6772
8   Harren .    1  2  -0.8913
9   Tuks   .    1  2  -1.0161       
10  Simon  .    1  2  -2.3749  
11  woh    .    0  3  -3.8786       

 
A Swiss tournament at this point would be paired hanzack vs. Fritzlein, Adanac vs. chessandgo, Nombril vs. rabbits in order to minimize the crossing between boundaries (i.e. to have the lowest player in a category play the highest player in the next category down).  I could see needing to violate this in order to avoid repeat pairings, but here not only those three pairings haven't happened yet, but also ocmiente vs. Simon and Harren vs. Tuks haven't happened either, and could complete the pairing.
 
The reason for the pairing I propose being disfavored compared to the pairing the algorithm chose must be buried somewhere in pairing principle 10, but (assuming there is no error in the code), I think pairing principle 10 needs to be reconsidered.  "Based on a ranking of the non-eliminated players primarily by least number of losses, secondarily by tournament performance rating and thirdly by seed, maximize the sum of the squares of the differences in rank among paired players with equal number of losses minus the sum of the squares of the differences in rank among paired players with different number of losses. "
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #28 on: Jan 29th, 2012, 5:27pm »
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Oh, yeah, now I remember that I actually proposed pairing principle 10 myself.  I didn't understand what the consequences would be, but now that I see it in action I realize that it is wrong.  It should be split like this:
 
10. Minimize the sum of the squares of the differences in rank among paired players with different number of losses.
11. Maximize the sum of the squares of the differences in rank among paired players with equal number of losses.
 
That is to say, they shouldn't be combined in one formula; the difference in border crossings should be minimized first, and only then should be players within each category be optimally paired.
 
Obviously we shouldn't change the algorithm for this year's tournament (as much as I would like to avoid chessandgo this round Wink), but I propose we change it for 2013.
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Re: 2012 World Championship
« Reply #29 on: Jan 29th, 2012, 5:54pm »
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Next week will clearly be the best week to play me, I have no idea right now when I'll be available Sad Btw, is it ok for you if we shift the game time one hour earlier? I forgot that there'll be a one hour difference in France, midnight would be a bit late.
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