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Alfons
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #30 on: Sep 24th, 2013, 9:52am » |
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This game against briareus is driving me nuts. So many times I thought I have it under control but but every time it found a way to sneak out 
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #31 on: Sep 25th, 2013, 2:18am » |
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Don't worry, Alfons. If, in the end, briareus escapes to defeat you, you will be in the company of the reigning World Champion. 
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #32 on: Sep 25th, 2013, 3:47am » |
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It took me 15 secs to make sure that it was I. What is it that would make Alfons be in my (bad) company?
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #33 on: Sep 25th, 2013, 1:32pm » |
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Having briareus totally smashed against the wall in a postal game before briareus found a way to wriggle free. I know that ChrisB and others have had success against briareus by swarming to the point that the bot had no options but to shuffle pieces and await defeat, but in light of briareus's past Houdini moves, I was too scared to start swarming myself in the 2013 Postal Mixer until I had a substantial material advantage.
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browni3141
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #34 on: Sep 26th, 2013, 12:06am » |
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on Sep 25th, 2013, 1:32pm, Fritzlein wrote:| Having briareus totally smashed against the wall in a postal game before briareus found a way to wriggle free. I know that ChrisB and others have had success against briareus by swarming to the point that the bot had no options but to shuffle pieces and await defeat, but in light of briareus's past Houdini moves, I was too scared to start swarming myself in the 2013 Postal Mixer until I had a substantial material advantage. |
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In my opinion attacking for trap control is the best way to defeat briareus easily at any time control. Trying to win material first is just making things more difficult for yourself 
chessandgo's game might qualify to me as a "Houdini" effort by briareus, although if I recall correctly chessandgo missed at least one way to win solidly. I don't think briareus' comeback in Alfon's game is due to the bot's abilities, however. I don't think either game is reason to worry about swarming against briareus. One just needs to be aware of the opponent's chances and make sure he isn't presented with any decent opportunities for counterplay. Obviously this is easier said than done, but I don't think briareus should be getting the better of us here if we are careful.
The most challenging way to beat briareus is probably an unclear goal attack before a lot of material has been won. briareus is excellent at goal defense...
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #35 on: Sep 26th, 2013, 12:46am » |
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on Sep 26th, 2013, 12:06am, browni3141 wrote:| The most challenging way to beat briareus is probably an unclear goal attack before a lot of material has been won. |
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Agreed. You do like to do things the hard way. 
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #37 on: Oct 2nd, 2013, 8:15pm » |
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Hmm, bot_briareus' position against Alfons now looks overwhelming. Assuming briareus wins, it is another new record performance. Here is the updated table of bot Postal Mixer performance based on the game-room ratings of their opponents:
Bot . Year Record Postal Performance
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Bomb 2005 4-6 1716
Zombie 2007 1-14 1409
Sharp 2008 1-8 1568
OpFor 2008 8-9 2060
OpFor 2009 3-7 1798
OpFor 2010 6-8 1848
Clueless 2010 9-7 2072
Briareus 2011 12-6 2167
Hippo 2012 4-4 1798
Briareus 2012 10-4 2221
Trash 2013 3-15 1431
Hippo 2013 7-11 1735
Briareus 2013 14-4 2265
Admittedly, this year's results were heavily affected by timeouts. I believe only one of trash's games was not decided by timeout, and flipping briareus's timeout win over browni to an over-the-board loss would pull briareus's performance down to 2186. Even so, congratulations are in order. Well done, Ricardo!
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supersamu
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #38 on: Oct 5th, 2013, 7:58am » |
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Is there going to be such a thing as a game of the Tournament?
I imagine everyone feels that their own games were very exciting.
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #39 on: Oct 5th, 2013, 4:14pm » |
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on Oct 5th, 2013, 7:58am, supersamu wrote:Is there going to be such a thing as a game of the Tournament?
I imagine everyone feels that their own games were very exciting. |
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I must say that Alfons bot_brieareus keeps me excited.
But your game with Boo was exciting as well.
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #40 on: Oct 9th, 2013, 3:57pm » |
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on Oct 2nd, 2013, 8:15pm, Fritzlein wrote:Hmm, bot_briareus' position against Alfons now looks overwhelming. Assuming briareus wins, it is another new record performance. Here is the updated table of bot Postal Mixer performance based on the game-room ratings of their opponents:
Bot . Year Record Postal Performance
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Bomb 2005 4-6 1716
Zombie 2007 1-14 1409
Sharp 2008 1-8 1568
OpFor 2008 8-9 2060
OpFor 2009 3-7 1798
OpFor 2010 6-8 1848
Clueless 2010 9-7 2072
Briareus 2011 12-6 2167
Hippo 2012 4-4 1798
Briareus 2012 10-4 2221
Trash 2013 3-15 1431
Hippo 2013 7-11 1735
Briareus 2013 14-4 2265
Admittedly, this year's results were heavily affected by timeouts. I believe only one of trash's games was not decided by timeout, and flipping briareus's timeout win over browni to an over-the-board loss would pull briareus's performance down to 2186. Even so, congratulations are in order. Well done, Ricardo! |
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So what is the bot's performance now? After the game finished?
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #41 on: Oct 9th, 2013, 4:35pm » |
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What a finish, Alfons! I sure spoke too soon  , but it makes it all the more pleasurable to see the bot get beaten at a goal race. 
Hippo, the corrected standings are below:
Bot . Year Record Postal Performance
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Bomb 2005 4-6 1716
Zombie 2007 1-14 1409
Sharp 2008 1-8 1568
OpFor 2008 8-9 2060
OpFor 2009 3-7 1798
OpFor 2010 6-8 1848
Clueless 2010 9-7 2072
Briareus 2011 12-6 2167
Hippo 2012 4-4 1798
Briareus 2012 10-4 2221
Trash 2013 3-15 1431
Hippo 2013 7-11 1735
Briareus 2013 13-5 2186
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #42 on: Oct 9th, 2013, 4:37pm » |
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on Oct 5th, 2013, 7:58am, supersamu wrote:Is there going to be such a thing as a game of the Tournament?
I imagine everyone feels that their own games were very exciting. |
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Do you judge the "best" game by having the fewest errors, or the most drama, or the great move that was hardest to find, or by some other criteria?
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #43 on: Oct 10th, 2013, 3:19am » |
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on Oct 9th, 2013, 4:35pm, Fritzlein wrote:What a finish, Alfons! I sure spoke too soon , but it makes it all the more pleasurable to see the bot get beaten at a goal race.
Hippo, the corrected standings are below:
Bot . Year Record Postal Performance
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Bomb 2005 4-6 1716
Zombie 2007 1-14 1409
Sharp 2008 1-8 1568
OpFor 2008 8-9 2060
OpFor 2009 3-7 1798
OpFor 2010 6-8 1848
Clueless 2010 9-7 2072
Briareus 2011 12-6 2167
Hippo 2012 4-4 1798
Briareus 2012 10-4 2221
Trash 2013 3-15 1431
Hippo 2013 7-11 1735
Briareus 2013 13-5 2186
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So Brireus performance with loss against Alfons, but win against Browni is same as with loss against Browni and win against Alfons?
And if we consider both games lost for briareus?
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Re: 2013 Postal Mixer
« Reply #44 on: Oct 10th, 2013, 9:04am » |
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on Oct 10th, 2013, 3:19am, Hippo wrote:| So Brireus performance with loss against Alfons, but win against Browni is same as with loss against Browni and win against Alfons? |
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Correct. For performance rating it matters who your opponents were and how many you won, but the distribution of your wins and losses doesn't matter.
Quote:| And if we consider both games lost for briareus? |
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Then briareus's performance drops to 2112.
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