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(Message started by: Belteshazzar on Apr 25^th, 2011, 7:43pm)

Title: Annotated games?
Post by Belteshazzar on Apr 25^th, 2011, 7:43pm

Is there any interest in annotating (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/mwiki/index.php/Annotated_Games) any more games? Specifically, I would be interested in seeing a game annotated in which a human defeats bot_Sharp2011CC, since that seems to be the strongest bot at this time.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Belteshazzar on Sep 14^th, 2011, 2:26am

Perhaps this game (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=196278&s=w) could be annotated while it is still fresh in the minds of the players? I have been studying chessandgo's games, since he is still by most indications the best there is.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Simon on Sep 14^th, 2011, 7:19am

Yeah, that's an interesting game. What if on 18g Ronweasley had brought the M to f3 instead of taking the cat?

Title: Ron x c&g 2011 postal mixer game
Post by Hippo on Sep 14^th, 2011, 9:39am

Yes, it was nice to watch this game. Was Ned winning in the midgame or was Jean winning whole the game? What was the players evaluation?

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Boo on Sep 14^th, 2011, 12:10pm

16g
I don't understand why Gold didn't capture the cat on c7.

And what was the point of 24g? Gold moved the rabbit from a2 to c4, where it got captured in a few turns, instead of capturing rabbit f8 with a Horse.

After rabbit trade in move 27 I would prefer Silver's position, because they have long-lasting initiative constantly creating goal threats, and Hf7+Df5 are just sitting and have nothing to threaten. Horse on g3 plays a key role in that position.

Quote:

Yeah, that's an interesting game. What if on 18g Ronweasley had brought the M to f3 instead of taking the cat?

Yeah, good point. I think that could have created lots of troubles for Silver.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Simon on Sep 14^th, 2011, 2:00pm

Quote:

Was Ned winning in the midgame or was Jean winning whole the game?

My theory is that Ned was ahead before his blunder on 18g. ;)

Quote:

16g
I don't understand why Gold didn't capture the cat on c7.

It would let silver take control of f3 wth a move like

16s de4s de3s Rf2s Rf3x de2e

which I think would lead to a race favouring silver.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Hippo on Sep 14^th, 2011, 3:25pm

on 09/14/11 at 14:00:32, Simon wrote:

My theory is that Ned was ahead before his blunder on 18g. ;)

It would let silver take control of f3 wth a move like

16s de4s de3s Rf2s Rf3x de2e

which I think would lead to a race favouring silver.

Yes sure this would be cat for at least several rabbits.

At 18g I don't know what position I would prefer it's cat for two rabbits with silver having strong attack on f3. The gold a file goal attack made(could made) the position interesting. But silver could advance his a file rabbits to counter it. May be 18g Ra5 rather than capturing cat?

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Boo on Sep 14^th, 2011, 3:29pm

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It would let silver take control of f3 wth a move like

16s de4s de3s Rf2s Rf3x de2e

which I think would lead to a race favouring silver.

It is not so clear I think. Gold can respond moving the dog and rabbit away from the lost trap with

17g Rh2n Dg2e Rh3n Rb2n

thus leaving one rabbit f1 vulnerable, and Gold threatens to capture 2 rabbits (a6 and c8 ).

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Simon on Sep 14^th, 2011, 9:39pm

I think silver has a pretty strong advantage after your 17g, as silver can easily advance a rabbit to get a good goal threat whereas it will be slower for gold to advance a rabbit.

edit: I mean of course advance a rabbit towards a taken-over trap. it doesn't count if you advance a rabbit to a trap still controlled by the other side.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by RonWeasley on Sep 24^th, 2011, 1:25pm

I just found this thread. I have been very busy elsewhere, protecting the land from dark magic and all. I can't give you much insight into this game as my goal for the Owl Mixer was to finish all games without timeing out.

Against chessandgo, I chose moves at first to slow down his inevitable attack. I was surprised to find I had counterplay. Yes, on 18g I didn't expect silver's reply. Looking back at it, I like the suggestion of moving the M to f3 to stop the attack there. After 18s my strategy was simply to keep the gold H and D from being captured. Being down by four Rs, I had a very thin defense which didn't give me a chance to make more threats.

For annotated games, look for Owl Mixer games from one or two years ago. Look for games with 3 or more comments on them and you may find annotations given there. Fritz usually did his but look at other top players too.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by tharkun on Feb 6^th, 2012, 7:41pm

I realize this is a necropost, but how should I go about browsing these postal games? I tried looking under "Postal Games" and "Archived Games" but I got nowhere.

The reason I'm asking is that I'm analysing my games right now. Thus, I'm very much interested in reading the deliberations of good players so that I know what strategic elements to look for. So far I've only found links to a few precious annotated games on the Wikibook.

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by Hippo on Feb 7^th, 2012, 1:15pm

on 02/06/12 at 19:41:58, tharkun wrote:

Start from Games->Even Games menu ...
going there (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/eventgames.cgi).

Title: Re: Annotated games?
Post by tharkun on Feb 7^th, 2012, 5:55pm

Ah, thanks a lot.