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99of9
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BotBash Challenge of the Month
« on: Apr 12th, 2005, 6:33am » |
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When botbashing began someone suggested that one day we might have a challenge of the month. I am now suggesting that we actually start this. And to kick it off, I'm proposing the first challenge:
(Actually it was arimanator's suggestion in response to robinson's game 1362 where he made quite a comeback from some blunders.)
By the end of April, who can beat Bomb2005CC having sacrificed their camel during the first move??
I'm going to have a go now - I don't expect to crack it first try... so hopefully there should be plenty of play in this as we exploit the weaknesses of the best arimaa bot in the universe.
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #1 on: Apr 15th, 2005, 5:21pm » |
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I just made a succesful try against the fast version ... seems not so hard :-P
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #2 on: Apr 16th, 2005, 3:21am » |
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Well I want to at least see people *try*ing against the real slow version. If we won it would be a very convincing demonstration of human superiority - I've never seen anyone even contemplate giving Frtiz a deliberate camel advantage!
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #3 on: Apr 17th, 2005, 11:48pm » |
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veni vidi vici 
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #4 on: Apr 18th, 2005, 12:31am » |
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Wow, that's amazing Paul!
and rated too!!!
I can't wait to look through this game.
To me, the fact that you have achieved it shows us even more than a 7-1 victory. This shows just how wide the gap is. In good human vs good human games I'd imagine a free camel is worth about 400-500 ratings points.
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #5 on: Apr 18th, 2005, 1:08am » |
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you wanna give me a camel free in our next game ? 
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #6 on: Apr 18th, 2005, 1:20am » |
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Only if your baby keeps up the good work  .
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #7 on: Apr 18th, 2005, 6:12am » |
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I would not call it great play.
Botbashing is more about knowing your opponents behavior than perfect play, but it certainly helps not to blunder to much
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #8 on: Apr 21st, 2005, 3:50pm » |
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btw, it could be put on the botbashing page to inspire future generations
Maybe I will try Camel and cat next 
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #9 on: Apr 27th, 2005, 3:22pm » |
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I didn't notice those games; does anyone have the game numbers ?
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #10 on: May 7th, 2005, 11:26am » |
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I really liked toby's idea ...
there is a new month now and since I solved the last challenge first, I feel free to raise the bar a little bit ...
(I just hope for more competition this time )
I think the camel was relatively easy, since bomb has special feelings for camels ...
How about a horse and a cat this time ?
It does not really matter if played against fast or slow version, since the "how to play this" part is the same with both bots.
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #11 on: May 8th, 2005, 1:30am » |
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I think Omar's idea is to maintain botbashing records only for bots with fixed strength. That's what he created the P1 and P2 series bots. Perhaps one should specifiy one of those bots along with the challenge?
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #12 on: May 8th, 2005, 3:15am » |
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In the 99 system a horse and cat should be *easier* .
I just hope we don't have to do it rated a-la-Paul. I'll give it a go.
Fritz I agree that not all these results should go on the botbash page since the bots are machine dependent. But I like the idea of having some of these challenges against the current best bot. P2 is quite a handicap. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to have the previous winner choose the next challenge - so you're sure to get to do some nominating soon Fritz .
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #13 on: May 14th, 2005, 12:16pm » |
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ah, the interest in this kind of game seems somewhat limited ...
Even if I am certain it shows the weaknesses of bots far more clearly ...
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Re: BotBash Challenge of the Month
« Reply #14 on: May 15th, 2005, 2:15am » |
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I think in part it's because we both chose such hard challenges. Next time I get the chance I will choose something that nearly everyone can do, but challenge people to do it quickly / innovatively.
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