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(Message started by: omar on May 14^th, 2006, 2:14pm)

Title: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by omar on May 14^th, 2006, 2:14pm

Use this topic to post a new bot bashing record. This will help everyone become aware of it and a senior member who maintains the bot bashing wiki page can add it to that page.

Please be sure to mention the game number and what record was set.

The Bot Bashing wiki page:

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/twiki/bin/view/Arimaa/BotBashers

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by seanick on May 14^th, 2006, 6:43pm

Edited for the following reason: I realize now that the wiki page itself has a "win by immobilization" record that beat mine:

<<...
bot_Clueless2005P2
....
Win by immobilization in fewest moves:
...
as silver: Arimanator in 37 moves view
>>

So... I no longer think that the below is better. but why is the bot basher page not even in sync with itself? Does nobody actually care? I suppose it is understandable, the only reason I did is that I mistakenly thought I might have accomplished something as a result.
Well, that was nice to think for a while, back to working on my losing streak.. How big is the biggest losing streak so far? I see winning streaks listed (for the previous POTM challenges to the current few months), but only as "streak" which is not entirely accurate since it seems only winning streaks are considered :).

Later
NICK

original post follows:
___
OK, I have one:

"Win by immobilization" against Clueless 2005 P2, playing as silver (game 30538 in 48 moves.)

thanks
NICK

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by aaaa on May 14^th, 2006, 8:20pm

I don't really expect this to be a record as I did it like any other curious newbie would, but since I don't see it beaten on the wiki:
game 29446: win by annihilation in 43 moves against bot_ArimaaScoreP1 playing silver
Here's another one by somebody else:
game 26898: win by annihilation in 64 moves against bot_Clueless2006P2 playing silver

If one side still has all of his pieces and the other side only has an elephant, can it be forced into "walking the plank" so to speak?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by unic on May 14^th, 2006, 8:27pm

Quote:

If one side still has all of his pieces and the other side only has an elephant, can it be forced into "walking the plank" so to speak?

Yes, it can... I did this earlier today against one of the blitz bots. Game 31554 (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/replayFlash.cgi?gid=31554&s=w&client=1). (Of course, I could have won by goal much earlier... I wanted to see if I could force the bot to give up its elephant.)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by aaaa on May 14^th, 2006, 8:52pm

That was amazing. I salute you, sir.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by arimaa_master on Jul 11^th, 2006, 5:41pm

Hi,
I realize that I have 3 games so far that deserve attention concerning the Bot Bashing Record:

33858: bot_Loc2005P1 vs arimaa_master * goal in 9
34560: bot_GnoBot2005Fast vs arimaa_master * goal in 14
34567: * arimaa_master vs bot_Aamira2006Fast goal in 19

Is it true record? Coz I didn´t notice the mention of bot_GnoBot2005Fast and bot_Aamira2006Fast at http://arimaa.com/arimaa/twiki/bin/view/Arimaa/BotBashers site.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by arimaa_master on Jul 11^th, 2006, 5:46pm

P.S.: these 3 games are claimed to have record "Win by goal in fewest moves:" There are links for them:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/replayFlash.cgi?gid=33858&s=b&client=1

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/replayFlash.cgi?gid=34560&s=b&client=1

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/replayFlash.cgi?gid=34567&s=w&client=1

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Jul 11^th, 2006, 8:20pm

Oh, sorry, I already answered in the comments of the games. The first one is a clear record, the second is not a record, and the third one is a record, but only for playing Gold because there is a better record for Silver.

I don't really want to be the one to keep the bot-bashing page up to date, because I don't care very much about bot-bashing. I think we need Omar to give the wiki password to a single person (preferably an avid botbasher) who will agree to update the page with all the records.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by arimaa_master on Jul 12^th, 2006, 6:27am

Ok, thx Karl

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by knarl on Jul 19^th, 2006, 12:47am

Gday Guys,

I'm sure it's not a record when a game ends on repetition, but I just beat bot_Bomb2005P2 a few times on repetition. Twice in 6 moves (pretty bad when half the moves end in the same position), and once in 9 moves as opposite colour. Is bot_Bomb2005P2 meant to check for repetition? If so, there's a bug.

See games 35117 35118 35119

Cheers,
knarl.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jun 1^st, 2007, 1:05pm

I was looking at the bot-bashing page and noticed that there is a column for no-capture wins. What does this refer to? Only if none of your own pieces are captured or both yours and your opponents?

In game 49647, I beat Gnobot2005p2 in 26 moves without either side losing a single piece.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 722caasi on Jun 28^th, 2007, 6:11pm

Hi, recently i got win by annihilation in 35 moves against bot aarimascorep1
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=53272&s=b as gold and also win by immobilization as siver in 23 moves http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=53270&s=b

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 722caasi on Sep 29^th, 2007, 1:20pm

Game 72116:
Goal in 8 as silver against loc2005p1

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Sep 29^th, 2007, 5:38pm

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=59165

Game 59165

win by immobilization in 21 moves of bot_Clueless2006P2 without the taking of any pieces by either side, playing gold.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Jan Kruschak on Sep 30^th, 2007, 3:11am

Games 34169, 57943, 57962, 59403:

Record: Win in 18 moves against Clueless2005P2 by silver.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 722caasi on Oct 1^st, 2007, 7:47pm

Game 59885:
Handicap HH as silver, win in 18.
(really weird ending though).

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Recordloc2006
Post by 722caasi on Oct 3^rd, 2007, 5:46pm

Game 60033:
loc2006p1 in 16 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 722caasi on Oct 4^th, 2007, 5:26pm

Game 60093:
Loc2005p1 as gold in 10.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by tize on Feb 17^th, 2008, 3:17am

Game 70803
bot_Aamira_2006P2 in 37 moves

Victory by annihilation without losing any of my pieces.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Feb 17^th, 2008, 11:18am

Nicely done, tize! You have been playing for, what, a week now?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Gerenuk on Mar 9^th, 2008, 2:20pm

bot_Loc2006CC lost in 23 moves in Game 71976.
Does that count?

I'm just playing the last level of the bot ladder and it's really frustrating how long the bots need to think :P

PS: How do I review games that I know the number of?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Mar 9^th, 2008, 3:24pm

on 03/09/08 at 14:20:34, Gerenuk wrote:

PS: How do I review games that I know the number of?

To review a game of known number, you can plug the number into this URL:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/showGame.cgi?gid=71976

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 722caasi on Mar 17^th, 2008, 11:34pm

Total annihilation of bot_aamira2006p1 in 32 as gold. ;D

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by pallab on Mar 20^th, 2008, 8:46pm

bot_amiraa2006P2, game 86519

It is a game where the bot took my rabit to goal!!

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 8:42pm

mistre wrote:

Quote:

I will volunteer to maintain the botbashing page. Please send me a message in the forum with any further data/instructions for doing so.

OK, you got it, mistre. Thanks for volunteering!

I sent you the wiki password by private message. (The wiki password is not a secret, but we want to avoid link spam.) I will post a series of results for you to filter/format as you see fit. Whenever more than one player achieved the minimum, I listed only the first one to do so, in case others only equaled the result by copying moves.

I suppose records against bots that are no longer available to play are of lower value than records that other people can still try to break. Also I suppose that records against fixed performance bots (e.g. Bomb2005P1) are of more value than records against variable performance bots (e.g. BombFast) since the latter type of bot is presumably getting tougher to beat every year, unless you catch it at a time of system load when it might be easier.

I personally like quirky records, but there are an infinite number of those, so I don't blame you if you don't want to keep them all, or only keep select ones as examples.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 8:46pm

Fastest win by goal when bot plays Gold:

wusername busername id result termination plycount
bot_2xv7 Adanac 22138 b g 9
bot_Aamira bot_Arimaanator 20215 b g 16
bot_Aamira2006Blitz Gerenuk 71238 b g 16
bot_Aamira2006CC paperhero 71161 b g 13
bot_Aamira2006Fast Arimanator 63907 b g 16
bot_Aamira2006P1 mikbuster 69219 b g 9
bot_Aamira2006P2 bot_GnoBot2006Fast 28737 b g 11
bot_Arimaalon BlackKnight 8774 b g 7
bot_Arimaanator PMertens 9131 b g 12
bot_ArimaanatorFast omar 57419 b g 15
bot_ArimaaScoreP1 Arimanator 31350 b g 5
bot_ArimaaScoreP2 bot_Bomb2005P2 29718 b g 9
bot_ArimaaScoreP3 omar 50536 b g 16
bot_Arimaazilla tomcstein 5092 b g 11
bot_Arimaazon kamikazeking 11371 b g 11
bot_bash bot_Loc2005P1 19054 b g 10
bot_bomb Renaissance 413 b g 16
bot_Bomb2004CC Fritzlein 15043 b g 32
bot_Bomb2005Blitz naveed 17992 b g 15
bot_Bomb2005CC Arimanator 18292 b g 13
bot_Bomb2005Fast OLTI 58136 b g 18
bot_Bomb2005P1 camelback 46710 b g 10
bot_Bomb2005P2 Arimanator 18122 b g 17
bot_Bomb2005P3 omar 16808 b g 33
bot_Brain bot_speedy 1114 b g 19
bot_clueless jdb 44739 b g 13
bot_clueless_test bot_Aamira 22874 b g 38
bot_Clueless2005Blitz Chegorimaa 35238 b g 17
bot_Clueless2005CC omar 18529 b g 22
bot_Clueless2005Fast Arimanator 19680 b g 14
bot_Clueless2005P1 aaaa 30310 b g 12
bot_Clueless2005P2 Calumet45 34169 b g 18
bot_Clueless2006Blitz OLTI 26412 b g 21
bot_Clueless2006CC omar 31847 b g 25
bot_Clueless2006Fast Arimanator 31840 b g 19
bot_Clueless2006P1 Kruschak 55436 b g 20
bot_Clueless2006P2 omar 25002 b g 24
bot_Faerie bot_clueless 44886 b g 19
bot_FaerieP1 jaw 44455 b g 12
bot_FaerieP2 omar 44705 b g 10
bot_Fairy bot_ShallowBlue 28776 b g 12
bot_Fairy_X DorianGaray 37592 b g 24
bot_firsttry bot_ShallowBlue 2558 b g 11
bot_GnoBot tomcstein 5089 b g 15
bot_GnoBot2004CC BlackKnight 7373 b g 20
bot_GnoBot2005Blitz arimaa_master 35029 b g 8
bot_GnoBot2005CC bot_Aamira2006CC 31755 b g 13
bot_GnoBot2005Fast Fritzlein 12260 b g 12
bot_GnoBot2005P1 bot_bash 19049 b g 9
bot_GnoBot2005P2 Soter 53516 b g 8
bot_GnoBot2006Blitz bot_Bomb2005Blitz 40367 b g 18
bot_GnoBot2006CC Adanac 32462 b g 24
bot_GnoBot2006Fast Chegorimaa 33365 b g 19
bot_GnoBot2006P1 igor 34592 b g 9
bot_GnoBot2006P2 The_Jeh 44268 b g 29
bot_haizhi bot_ShallowBlue 3750 b g 13
bot_hercules Soter 68537 b g 7
bot_hz bot_haizhi 3388 b g 18
bot_knt knt 67241 b g 13
bot_leapfrog bot_Occam 3607 b g 14
bot_lightning Fritzlein 12661 b g 24
bot_Loc bot_clueless 71766 b g 17
bot_Loc2005Blitz Swynndla 27969 b g 16
bot_Loc2005CC blue22 18051 b g 16
bot_Loc2005Fast jarrausi 23727 b g 23
bot_Loc2005P1 722caasi 59765 b g 8
bot_Loc2005P2 kerro 62305 b g 19
bot_Loc2006Blitz chrismccoll 32100 b g 23
bot_Loc2006CC chessandgo 29880 b g 14
bot_Loc2006Fast sfx 46425 b g 27
bot_Loc2006P1 longhornssb 54596 b g 9
bot_Loc2006P2 Soter 52213 b g 13
bot_marwin tize 72216 b g 12
bot_mouse robstar 6392 b g 12
bot_Occam bot_ShallowBlue 400 b g 8
bot_Occam2004CC Fritzlein 24124 b g 19
bot_OpFor bot_Arimaalon 66461 b g 12
bot_pmertens_1 bot_speedy 9963 b g 16
bot_scan scan_test 44529 b g 10
bot_ShallowBlue naveed 1627 b g 6
bot_sharp PMertens 69451 b g 18
bot_Sleepy bot_ShallowBlue 6741 b g 21
bot_speedy clauchau 2438 b g 16
bot_thread bot_ShallowBlue 2223 b g 23
bot_V bot_GnoBot 22807 b g 21
bot_weiser bot_Loc 21608 b g 19
bot_weiserFast bot_Loc2005Fast 20514 b g 33
bot_weiserP1 bot_ShallowBlue 19772 b g 15
bot_weiserP2 blue22 19864 b g 14
bot_WRK847 bot_GnoBot2006P1 31042 b g 10
bot_Zombie bot_ZombieX 45170 b g 22
bot_ZombieX bot_Zombie 45231 b g 22

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 8:50pm

Fastest win by immobilization when bot plays Gold

wusername busername id result termination plycount
bot_Aamira2006Blitz DorianGaray 38548 b m 31
bot_Aamira2006CC 6sense 30159 b m 25
bot_Aamira2006Fast obiwan 38638 b m 31
bot_Aamira2006P1 IdahoEv 30044 b m 17
bot_Aamira2006P2 NS_Serg 65682 b m 27
bot_Arimaalon Adanac 12592 b m 23
bot_Arimaanator Arimanator 19475 b m 24
bot_ArimaanatorFast DorianGaray 56554 b m 40
bot_ArimaaScoreP1 722caasi 53270 b m 23
bot_ArimaaScoreP2 dgandhi 45818 b m 17
bot_Arimaazilla 88of8 9035 b m 23
bot_Arimaazon Belbo 12575 b m 31
bot_bomb 99of9 9364 b m 29
bot_Bomb2005Blitz Arimanator 19459 b m 26
bot_Bomb2005CC DorianGaray 32669 b m 33
bot_Bomb2005Fast DorianGaray 32792 b m 25
bot_Bomb2005P1 nbarriga 24751 b m 32
bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens 17366 b m 23
bot_clueless bot_Arimaanator 9009 b m 51
bot_Clueless2005Blitz DorianGaray 39571 b m 32
bot_Clueless2005CC DorianGaray 32423 b m 34
bot_Clueless2005Fast Arimanator 19827 b m 34
bot_Clueless2005P1 99of9 17127 b m 32
bot_Clueless2005P2 Arimanator 20132 b m 37
bot_Clueless2006Blitz bot_Arimaalon 28049 b m 57
bot_Clueless2006CC Raymond 58539 b m 31
bot_Clueless2006Fast milo 44185 b m 38
bot_Clueless2006P1 Iii 27389 b m 45
bot_Clueless2006P2 Raymond 58126 b m 25
bot_FaerieP2 obiwan 44766 b m 29
bot_Fairy obiwan 37277 b m 27
bot_Fairy_X obiwan 37736 b m 28
bot_firsttry bot_ShallowBlue 2551 b m 16
bot_GnoBot PMertens 10110 b m 46
bot_GnoBot2005Blitz arimaa_master 49979 b m 32
bot_GnoBot2005CC Arimanator 18836 b m 43
bot_GnoBot2005Fast Arimanator 19795 b m 42
bot_GnoBot2005P1 grey_0x2A 21466 b m 39
bot_GnoBot2005P2 Arimanator 17035 b m 61
bot_GnoBot2006P1 Arimanator 27402 b m 39
bot_GnoBot2006P2 Swynndla 26602 b m 64
bot_hercules robstar 68506 b m 16
bot_Loc2005CC Adanac 12326 b m 50
bot_Loc2005Fast mouse 12220 b m 37
bot_Loc2005P1 99of9 17026 b m 49
bot_Loc2005P2 sihing 40115 b m 44
bot_Loc2006Blitz Scooby 42060 b m 33
bot_Loc2006Fast Krasnotron 58630 b m 39
bot_Loc2006P1 Soter 50999 b m 33
bot_Loc2006P2 blue22 27626 b m 29
bot_Occam omar 872 b m 55
bot_Occam2004CC bot_Bomb2005P2 26559 b m 34
bot_OpFor Soter 72151 b m 49
bot_ShallowBlue Lucky 281 b m 18
bot_sharp Arimabuff 72607 b m 31
bot_Sleepy jurc 6677 b m 27
bot_speedy clauchau 2390 b m 37
bot_weiser grey_0x2A 21491 b m 39
bot_weiserP2 PMertens 19787 b m 40
bot_WRK847 bot_Fairy 30960 b m 24
bot_Zombie obiwan 45293 b m 34

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:02pm

Fastest win with no captures by either player when bot plays Gold

wusername busername id result plycount
bot_Aamira2006Blitz The_Jeh 56962 b 17
bot_Aamira2006CC mdk 52525 b 18
bot_Aamira2006P1 OLTI 25162 b 11
bot_Aamira2006P2 bot_Bomb2005P1 27714 b 13
bot_Arimaalon BlackKnight 17566 b 7
bot_Arimaanator omar 2684 b 15
bot_ArimaaScoreP1 The_Jeh 63479 b 6
bot_Arimaazilla aanno 21624 b 13
bot_Arimaazon handsomestofall 9569 b 13
bot_bomb omar 5318 b 41
bot_Bomb2005Blitz Arimanator 19459 b 26
bot_Bomb2005Fast Arimanator 19154 b 32
bot_Bomb2005P1 Agt 72312 b 25
bot_Clueless2005Blitz Chegorimaa 35238 b 17
bot_Clueless2005P1 dougk 50373 b 20
bot_Clueless2005P2 froody 65002 b 19
bot_Clueless2006Fast bot_clueless 44466 b 31
bot_Fairy bot_Arimaazilla 29176 b 26
bot_GnoBot bot_clueless 22823 b 24
bot_GnoBot2004CC Belbo 11414 b 25
bot_GnoBot2005Blitz Adanac 51761 b 26
bot_GnoBot2005Fast Fritzlein 12260 b 12
bot_GnoBot2005P1 BlackKnight 17403 b 15
bot_GnoBot2005P2 fritzlforpresident 24919 b 21
bot_GnoBot2006Blitz Aquarius 42031 b 37
bot_GnoBot2006P1 Andhi 33715 b 13
bot_Loc2005CC bot_Aamira2006P2 25184 b 26
bot_Loc2005P1 99of9 18007 b 28
bot_Loc2006P1 Sixhobbits 48200 b 16
bot_Occam Belbo 2763 b 10
bot_pmertens_1 bot_ShallowBlue 9801 b 20
bot_ShallowBlue mouse 9489 b 6
bot_weiserP2 bot_Loc2005P2 19816 b 19

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:11pm

Fastest win with no captures by either side when bot plays Silver:

wusername busername id result termination plycount
bot_Arimaazilla bot_Aamira 7186 w g 18
chrismccoll bot_Aamira2006Blitz 32111 w g 20
Brendan bot_Aamira2006CC 40109 w m 35
kerdamdam bot_Aamira2006Fast 35055 w g 22
Matthias bot_Aamira2006P2 28462 w g 20
BlackKnight bot_Arimaalon 17567 w g 6
PMertens bot_Arimaanator 9132 w g 14
KlausX bot_ArimaaScoreP1 40297 w g 6
inylong bot_Arimaazilla 12167 w g 11
OLTI bot_Arimaazon 13992 w g 12
bot_Bomb2005Blitz bot_bash 19202 w g 19
Arimanator bot_Bomb2005Blitz 19327 w m 27
Arimanator bot_Bomb2005Fast 63271 w m 29
Sthingy 45 bot_Bomb2005P1 58428 w g 14
PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 37625 w m 24
MrBrain bot_Brain 1110 w g 14
BlackKnight bot_Clueless2005Blitz 17284 w g 22
blue22 bot_Clueless2005Fast 40108 w g 38
jawdirk bot_Clueless2005P1 33150 w g 30
camelback bot_Clueless2006P1 47848 w g 25
Arimabuff bot_Clueless2006P2 59165 w m 21
bot_Occam bot_GnoBot 5018 w g 24
PMertens bot_GnoBot2005CC 18992 w m 28
seanick bot_GnoBot2005Fast 37334 w g 35
chlydra bot_GnoBot2005P1 67557 w g 12
bot_Bomb2005CC bot_GnoBot2006CC 44715 w g 26
Arimanator bot_GnoBot2006Fast 28430 w m 40
rcline bot_GnoBot2006P1 28521 w g 11
bot_Bomb2005Fast bot_GnoBot2006P2 30938 w g 27
asheesh bot_iiith 12699 w g 21
99of9 bot_Loc2005P1 18005 w g 13
aaaa bot_Loc2006CC 51083 w g 25
esg bot_Loc2006P1 44225 w g 7
bot_bomb bot_Occam 685 w g 12
bot_Bomb2005P2 bot_Occam2004CC 31693 w g 18
bot_Bomb2005CC bot_OpFor 72057 w g 24
mouse bot_ShallowBlue 9543 w g 6
bot_GnoBot bot_V 21932 w g 19
PMertens bot_weiserP2 19806 w g 13
Masonic_Edge bot_WRK847 29895 w g 7
Belbo bot_Zombie 46885 w m 28

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:15pm

Fastest win by immobilization when bot plays Silver:

wusername busername id result termination plycount
bot_Arimaanator bot_Aamira 22832 w m 44
bot_Bomb2005Blitz bot_Aamira2006Blitz 28371 w m 28
Brendan bot_Aamira2006CC 40109 w m 35
DorianGaray bot_Aamira2006Fast 38481 w m 38
CalebBrown bot_Aamira2006P1 61805 w m 18
Raymond bot_Aamira2006P2 58111 w m 32
bot_Loc2005P2 bot_Arimaalon 28703 w m 23
mouse bot_Arimaanator 9678 w m 27
nogard bot_ArimaaScoreP1 70156 w m 18
bot_Clueless2005P1 bot_ArimaaScoreP2 27739 w m 18
Groumpf bot_Arimaazilla 90 w m 16
mouse bot_Arimaazon 12433 w m 27
6sense bot_bomb 21484 w m 22
Ryan_Cable bot_Bomb2004CC 23336 w m 34
Arimanator bot_Bomb2005Blitz 19327 w m 27
DorianGaray bot_Bomb2005CC 32577 w m 27
Arimanator bot_Bomb2005Fast 21102 w m 27
rjr bot_Bomb2005P1 42171 w m 32
PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 17605 w m 24
Fritzlein bot_Bomb2005P3 17357 w m 47
99of9 bot_clueless 10446 w m 47
DorianGaray bot_Clueless2005Blitz 39365 w m 45
Ryan_Cable bot_Clueless2005CC 26751 w m 33
obiwan bot_Clueless2005Fast 38259 w m 38
Scooby bot_Clueless2005P1 39189 w m 42
Ryan_Cable bot_Clueless2005P2 26440 w m 30
PierreHenry bot_Clueless2006CC 59790 w m 34
Arimanator bot_Clueless2006Fast 27541 w m 34
Arimabuff bot_Clueless2006P1 59163 w m 33
Arimabuff bot_Clueless2006P2 59165 w m 21
maker bot_Destructo 8377 w m 26
obiwan bot_Fairy_X 37748 w m 43
bot_Arimaazilla bot_firsttry 2914 w m 64
DorianGaray bot_GnoBot2005Blitz 38359 w m 48
PMertens bot_GnoBot2005CC 18992 w m 28
Arimanator bot_GnoBot2005Fast 13588 w m 54
nogard bot_GnoBot2005P1 59960 w m 21
Arimanator bot_GnoBot2005P2 17517 w m 36
Arimanator bot_GnoBot2006Fast 28403 w m 34
Ryan_Cable bot_GnoBot2006P2 26540 w m 42
bot_Arimaazilla bot_haizhi 16034 w m 24
woh bot_knt 67327 w m 22
PMertens bot_lightning 12524 w m 73
Soter bot_Loc2005Blitz 63620 w m 56
onigawara bot_Loc2005CC 44947 w m 57
Adanac bot_Loc2005Fast 18198 w m 53
99of9 bot_Loc2005P1 17027 w m 33
RuthlessD bot_Loc2005P2 30984 w m 46
Soter bot_Loc2006Blitz 63420 w m 59
bot_Clueless2005CC bot_Loc2006P1 32747 w m 25
lightvector bot_Loc2006P2 68395 w m 32
lyc123 bot_lyc123 30067 w m 21
Stanley bot_NotImplemented 42839 w m 12
bot_ArimaaScoreP1 bot_OpFor 66416 w m 36
woh bot_scan 44482 w m 40
bot_Occam bot_ShallowBlue 249 w m 15
bot_GnoBot bot_speedy 9886 w m 28
bot_Aamira bot_V 22157 w m 61
omar bot_weiserFast 19881 w m 47
PMertens bot_weiserP2 19782 w m 34
Stux bot_WRK847 30889 w m 31
Belbo bot_Zombie 46885 w m 28

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:22pm

Fastest win by goal when bot plays Silver:

wusername busername id result plycount
Fritzlein bot_2xv7 55968 w 13
B44 bot_4th_year 63404 w 20
deselby bot_Aamira 7233 w 13
filerank bot_Aamira2006Blitz 27147 w 15
seanick bot_Aamira2006CC 33087 w 19
sfx bot_Aamira2006Fast 46430 w 16
bot_Loc2006P2 bot_Aamira2006P1 42087 w 10
awedxz bot_Aamira2006P2 66453 w 14
BlackKnight bot_Arimaalon 17567 w 6
OLTI bot_Arimaanator 14888 w 12
aaaa bot_ArimaanatorFast 57078 w 28
99of9 bot_ArimaaScoreP1 29370 w 6
clauchau bot_ArimaaScoreP2 25076 w 10
Chegorimaa bot_ArimaaScoreP3 52113 w 24
CeeJay bot_Arimaazilla 5393 w 9
OLTI bot_Arimaazon 13992 w 12
bot_Loc2005P1 bot_bash 19051 w 9
James bot_bomb 374 w 18
clauchau bot_Bomb2004CC 7787 w 25
OLTI bot_Bomb2005Blitz 29627 w 17
chessandgo bot_Bomb2005CC 47134 w 19
Belbo bot_Bomb2005Fast 14031 w 19
bot_Clueless2006P2 bot_Bomb2005Fast 31061 w 19
bot_Bomb2005Blitz bot_Bomb2005P1 31849 w 8
Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 18184 w 17
Fritzlein bot_Bomb2005P3 17778 w 54
MrBrain bot_Brain 1076 w 7
jdb bot_clueless 3641 w 13
bot_Bomb2005Fast bot_clueless_test 22414 w 27
Belbo bot_Clueless2005Blitz 28080 w 14
blue22 bot_Clueless2005CC 50671 w 22
robinson bot_Clueless2005Fast 12887 w 17
mistre bot_Clueless2005P1 66382 w 14
froody bot_Clueless2005P2 62792 w 19
bot_Aamira2006Blitz bot_Clueless2006Blitz 43376 w 23
bot_OpFor bot_Clueless2006CC 71064 w 25
Arimanator bot_Clueless2006Fast 31872 w 21
aaaa bot_Clueless2006P1 30419 w 20
Belbo bot_Clueless2006P2 26603 w 20
ajhager bot_CopyElephant 22151 w 24
bot_Arimaazilla bot_cruel 31021 w 35
Deadpool bot_CSArimaa 24027 w 10
elimin8r bot_elimin8r 8256 w 12
IdahoEv bot_Faerie 43909 w 12
Gorgapor bot_FaerieP1 44468 w 13
Shamus bot_FaerieP2 45063 w 24
bot_FaerieP1 bot_FaerieX 44469 w 21
unic bot_Fairy 28746 w 10
DorianGaray bot_Fairy_X 37909 w 23
bot_ShallowBlue bot_firsttry 2575 w 9
Brillo bot_FullOfBugs 3809 w 17
Gnagelram bot_Gnagel 64546 w 18
bot_firsttry bot_GnoBot 7590 w 9
Fritzlein bot_GnoBot2004CC 13456 w 11
arimaa_master bot_GnoBot2005Blitz 47509 w 17
The_Jeh bot_GnoBot2005CC 57646 w 13
mouse bot_GnoBot2005Fast 12223 w 15
PMertens bot_GnoBot2005P1 24674 w 7
Kraizy_Dave bot_GnoBot2005P2 68416 w 21
Chegorimaa bot_GnoBot2006Blitz 33867 w 19
bot_Bomb2005Blitz bot_GnoBot2006Blitz 44652 w 19
omar bot_GnoBot2006CC 50964 w 17
KT2006 bot_GnoBot2006Fast 32519 w 22
PMertens bot_GnoBot2006P1 26058 w 10
bot_Fairy_X bot_GnoBot2006P2 40502 w 21
CeeJay bot_GrowUp 6491 w 16
bot_Arimaazilla bot_haizhi 16366 w 10
mistre bot_hercules 68528 w 9
bot_haizhi bot_hz 16751 w 24
bot_ShallowBlue bot_IIIT 12542 w 21
asheesh bot_iiith 12699 w 21
lyhy bot_initialgame 66339 w 11
kurthyl bot_kl 66897 w 12
knt bot_knt 67345 w 10
bot_Arimaazilla bot_leapfrog 3344 w 15
naveed bot_lightning 12548 w 21
BlackKnight bot_Loc 8159 w 13
Arimanator bot_Loc2005Blitz 30389 w 18
Brendan bot_Loc2005CC 40104 w 18
Arimanator bot_Loc2005Fast 30469 w 17
bot_Clueless2005P1 bot_Loc2005P1 27081 w 10
Dreadpirate bot_Loc2005P2 33367 w 17
froody bot_Loc2006Blitz 66408 w 22
omar bot_Loc2006CC 49779 w 22
fotland bot_Loc2006Fast 47759 w 23
Arimanator bot_Loc2006P1 31050 w 7
NS_Serg bot_Loc2006P2 65693 w 18
lyc123 bot_lyc123 30071 w 12
bot_ShallowBlue bot_mouse 6393 w 18
Keeps bot_Occam 215 w 11
Chegorimaa bot_Occam2004CC 40167 w 13
bot_Arimaalon bot_OpFor 66460 w 16
bot_ShallowBlue bot_pmertens_1 9466 w 15
Sameer bot_ShallowBlue 3182 w 6
lightvector bot_sharp 69281 w 13
Michael_Morse bot_silly1 71110 w 15
bot_ShallowBlue bot_Sleepy 6705 w 10
bot_speedy bot_speedtrap 9842 w 316
jdb bot_speedy 997 w 15
bot_ShallowBlue bot_Steerpike 32728 w 22
6sense bot_tarimaa 70369 w 9
rusty bot_test1 30145 w 39
Janzert bot_thread 679 w 7
bot_bomb bot_txapeldun 546 w 10
tanukitzu bot_TypingMonkey 5101 w 13
Adanac bot_V 22394 w 15
bot_Arimaazilla bot_Viper 6867 w 20
bot_Arimaazon bot_weiser 20203 w 15
bot_Loc2005Blitz bot_weiserBlitz 19874 w 39
bot_GnoBot2005Fast bot_weiserFast 19877 w 36
bot_ShallowBlue bot_weiserP1 19771 w 20
PMertens bot_weiserP2 19806 w 13
Stux bot_WRK847 29894 w 6
bot_WRK847 bot_WRK847_2 30956 w 54
chessandgo bot_Zombie 47135 w 18
bot_Zombie bot_ZombieX 45194 w 25

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:25pm

I can't think of a way to query handicap games or games where you don't take opposing pieces but it's OK if your own pieces get taken. I don't know how to query for total annihilation or games played under restrictions such as taking only three steps per move or never advancing your own elephant past the midline.

I only queried for games ending in goal or immobilization, not repetition. The justification is that you can never force a bot into repetition, you merely trip a bug, but maybe some of the methods of forcing goal or immobilization are also akin to tripping a bug, so I don't know.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:27pm

What date are these records through? I noticed my recent game vs AamiraP2 is not shown.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:30pm

on 04/01/08 at 21:27:45, mistre wrote:

What date are these records through? I noticed my recent game vs AamiraP2 is not shown.

My database goes only up to game 72910, whereas your recent record was game 73325.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:33pm

Which bots are the "Fixed Performance" bots?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:40pm

Generally anything with a "Px" should be fixed performance by virtue of cutting off search at a fixed depth regardless of hardware speed. Also ShallowBlue, Arimaalon, and Arimaazilla, which are really OccamP1, OccamP1.5, and OccamP2. Arimaazon is not fixed performance.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 1^st, 2008, 9:49pm

on 03/09/08 at 14:20:34, Gerenuk wrote:

bot_Loc2006CC lost in 23 moves in Game 71976.
Does that count?

Sorry, Gerenuk. Omar beat you by one move in game 49779.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 99of9 on Apr 1^st, 2008, 10:29pm

Where did the records against shallowblue go? I was quite partial to my handicap records.

For the record, I think they were:
http://www.arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=9391&s=b
http://www.arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=9054&s=w

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 1^st, 2008, 11:38pm

Please bear with me as I make changes to the bot bashing page. All of the information that was on there, will stay on there, just in a different format.

I am splitting up the data into separate tables for each type of bot bash record, so that there is space to put the record holders. I would eventually like to put in the game number and link for each record as well.

The ONLY thing I am deleting is the Annihilation records - for which there were only two listed anyways. Basically, Annihilation is a form of Immobilization and can only happen if a bot decides to suicide his elephant. I think I have seen 1 game in which a player forced the bot to suicide his elephant (it was his only move), but other than that, it is not in the player's control whether or not a bot decides to suicide and therefore not a great idea for bot-bashing IMO. There is only 1 case known in a game where an elephant has been framed on a trap (and we all know about that game!) :-[

On the other hand, when Extermination becomes a method of winning, I will add that to the bot-bashing page which should make for some fun record chasing.

I will work on it more tommorrow and I will have some formatting questions for anyone that will be able to answer them, so stay tuned.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by lightvector on Apr 2^nd, 2008, 12:12am

I agree with getting rid of those. But one question: If one player has all 16 pieces, and the other player has only an Elephant, is it possible to force the unwilling elephant into a trap by means of blockade tactics?

And if not, then of course we have the inevitable theoretical question (probably better moved to another thread): How many friendly small pieces does a player in addition to the Elephant to force a lone Elephant to suicide itself? For simplicity, say that none of the small pieces are rabbits.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 2^nd, 2008, 7:46am

Lightvector,

The answer to your first question is yes. See game 72488 http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=72488&s=b (Arimabuff vs Bomb2005CC)

And the fewest number of pieces that you would need would be 7, your Elephant and any other 6 pieces. Whether or not you could actually get his Elephant in position with only 7 pieces is another question...

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by aaaa on Apr 2^nd, 2008, 10:08am

That game doesn't prove anything as in the end the bot is in the position of having only losing moves to pick from.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 2^nd, 2008, 10:35am

I agree that this game is not a good example of what you’re asking.

Although in any game where you use the method known as bait and tackle, you can force the elephant to throw itself in the trap after you've killed or immobilized every other piece. I believe I've done it like a dozen times but I didn't keep track of the game numbers. Others did it too so there may be like a hundred games in the database where the elephant was actually forced to kill itself without being led to this by a series of random equally losing moves.

However I can offer this as a recent example where I forced a player to either resign or throw his elephant into a trap. I must say that he was enough of a good sport to play the game till the very end:

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=73362&s=b

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 2^nd, 2008, 9:35pm

Fastest win by goal when bot plays Silver (hopefully correct this time).

wusername busername id result termination plycount
Fritzlein bot_2xv7 55968 w g 13
B44 bot_4th_year 63404 w g 20
bot_Loc bot_Aamira 22505 w g 13
filerank bot_Aamira2006Blitz 27147 w g 15
seanick bot_Aamira2006CC 33087 w g 19
sfx bot_Aamira2006Fast 46430 w g 16
bot_Loc2006P2 bot_Aamira2006P1 42087 w g 10
awedxz bot_Aamira2006P2 66453 w g 14
BlackKnight bot_Arimaalon 17567 w g 6
OLTI bot_Arimaanator 14888 w g 12
aaaa bot_ArimaanatorFast 57078 w g 28
99of9 bot_ArimaaScoreP1 29370 w g 6
clauchau bot_ArimaaScoreP2 25076 w g 10
Chegorimaa bot_ArimaaScoreP3 52113 w g 24
Eduardo bot_Arimaazilla 12796 w g 9
OLTI bot_Arimaazon 13992 w g 12
bot_Loc2005P1 bot_bash 19051 w g 9
James bot_bomb 374 w g 18
clauchau bot_Bomb2004CC 7787 w g 25
OLTI bot_Bomb2005Blitz 29627 w g 17
chessandgo bot_Bomb2005CC 47134 w g 19
Belbo bot_Bomb2005Fast 14031 w g 19
Cweman bot_Bomb2005P1 65999 w g 8
Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 18184 w g 17
Fritzlein bot_Bomb2005P3 17778 w g 54
MrBrain bot_Brain 1076 w g 7
jdb bot_clueless 3641 w g 13
bot_Bomb2005Fast bot_clueless_test 22414 w g 27
Belbo bot_Clueless2005Blitz 28080 w g 14
blue22 bot_Clueless2005CC 50671 w g 22
robinson bot_Clueless2005Fast 12887 w g 17
mistre bot_Clueless2005P1 66382 w g 14
froody bot_Clueless2005P2 62792 w g 19
bot_Aamira2006Blitz bot_Clueless2006Blitz 43376 w g 23
bot_OpFor bot_Clueless2006CC 71064 w g 25
Arimanator bot_Clueless2006Fast 31872 w g 21
bot_Occam2004CC bot_Clueless2006P1 34028 w g 20
Belbo bot_Clueless2006P2 26603 w g 20
ajhager bot_CopyElephant 22151 w g 24
bot_Arimaazilla bot_cruel 31021 w g 35
Deadpool bot_CSArimaa 24027 w g 10
elimin8r bot_elimin8r 8256 w g 12
IdahoEv bot_Faerie 43909 w g 12
Gorgapor bot_FaerieP1 44468 w g 13
Shamus bot_FaerieP2 45063 w g 24
bot_FaerieP1 bot_FaerieX 44469 w g 21
unic bot_Fairy 28746 w g 10
DorianGaray bot_Fairy_X 37909 w g 23
bot_ShallowBlue bot_firsttry 2575 w g 9
Brillo bot_FullOfBugs 3809 w g 17
Gnagelram bot_Gnagel 64546 w g 18
bot_Bomb2005CC bot_GnoBot 21911 w g 9
Fritzlein bot_GnoBot2004CC 13456 w g 11
arimaa_master bot_GnoBot2005Blitz 47509 w g 17
The_Jeh bot_GnoBot2005CC 57646 w g 13
PierreHenry bot_GnoBot2005Fast 57539 w g 15
PMertens bot_GnoBot2005P1 24674 w g 7
Kraizy_Dave bot_GnoBot2005P2 68416 w g 21
Chegorimaa bot_GnoBot2006Blitz 33867 w g 19
omar bot_GnoBot2006CC 50964 w g 17
KT2006 bot_GnoBot2006Fast 32519 w g 22
PMertens bot_GnoBot2006P1 26058 w g 10
bot_Fairy_X bot_GnoBot2006P2 40502 w g 21
CeeJay bot_GrowUp 6491 w g 16
bot_Arimaazilla bot_haizhi 16366 w g 10
mistre bot_hercules 68528 w g 9
bot_haizhi bot_hz 16751 w g 24
bot_ShallowBlue bot_IIIT 12542 w g 21
asheesh bot_iiith 12699 w g 21
lyhy bot_initialgame 66339 w g 11
kurthyl bot_kl 66897 w g 12
knt bot_knt 67345 w g 10
bot_Arimaazilla bot_leapfrog 3344 w g 15
naveed bot_lightning 12548 w g 21
BlackKnight bot_Loc 8159 w g 13
Arimanator bot_Loc2005Blitz 30389 w g 18
Brendan bot_Loc2005CC 40104 w g 18
Arimanator bot_Loc2005Fast 30469 w g 17
Ethos bot_Loc2005P1 42106 w g 10
Dreadpirate bot_Loc2005P2 33367 w g 17
froody bot_Loc2006Blitz 66408 w g 22
omar bot_Loc2006CC 49779 w g 22
fotland bot_Loc2006Fast 47759 w g 23
esg bot_Loc2006P1 44225 w g 7
NS_Serg bot_Loc2006P2 65693 w g 18
lyc123 bot_lyc123 30071 w g 12
bot_ShallowBlue bot_mouse 6393 w g 18
Keeps bot_Occam 215 w g 11
Chegorimaa bot_Occam2004CC 40167 w g 13
bot_Arimaalon bot_OpFor 66460 w g 16
bot_ShallowBlue bot_pmertens_1 9466 w g 15
mouse bot_ShallowBlue 9543 w g 6
lightvector bot_sharp 69281 w g 13
Michael_Morse bot_silly1 71110 w g 15
bot_ShallowBlue bot_Sleepy 6705 w g 10
bot_speedy bot_speedtrap 9842 w g 316
jdb bot_speedy 997 w g 15
bot_ShallowBlue bot_Steerpike 32728 w g 22
6sense bot_tarimaa 70369 w g 9
rusty bot_test1 30145 w g 39
Janzert bot_thread 679 w g 7
bot_bomb bot_txapeldun 546 w g 10
tanukitzu bot_TypingMonkey 5101 w g 13
Adanac bot_V 22394 w g 15
bot_Arimaazilla bot_Viper 6867 w g 20
bot_Arimaazon bot_weiser 20203 w g 15
bot_Loc2005Blitz bot_weiserBlitz 19874 w g 39
bot_GnoBot2005Fast bot_weiserFast 19877 w g 36
bot_ShallowBlue bot_weiserP1 19771 w g 20
PMertens bot_weiserP2 19806 w g 13
Stux bot_WRK847 29894 w g 6
bot_WRK847 bot_WRK847_2 30956 w g 54
chessandgo bot_Zombie 47135 w g 18
bot_Zombie bot_ZombieX 45248 w g 25

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 3^rd, 2008, 1:28pm

Fixed!

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 3^rd, 2008, 3:52pm

Thanks, for fixing it, mistre, and for doing all the manual labor to double-check my results. Since you are a glutton for punishment (i.e. repetitive tasks), I realized that while I can't query for handicap records per se, I can query for games in which an early capture happened, if you are willing to examine them by hand for potential handicap records. Of course, there is no need for you to sort through all of these, but if you are curious what has been done and how, it might be kind of interesting.

I don't claim that my query caught all handicap games, or that all the games it did catch were played at handicap. Also I had to exclude ArimaaScoreP1 from my query when the human plays Silver, because the extreme idiocy of ArimaaScoreP1 means that the early capture is usually legitimate, not a handicap.

Gold gives handicap against bot:

id wusername busername termination result
38582 broutcha bot_Aamira2006P1 g w
8908 88of8 bot_Arimaalon g w
9144 PMertens bot_Arimaanator g w
32474 Guest5031 bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
35621 yurko bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
36111 jmssil bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
41340 Guest5513 bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
45223 lukenilpolso bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
61962 wumps bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
63836 botbasher bot_ArimaaScoreP1 m w
66074 Victor_V bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
71157 Flor bot_ArimaaScoreP1 g w
8457 omar bot_Arimaazilla g w
9143 88of8 bot_Arimaazilla g w
11224 naveed bot_Arimaazilla g w
5331 omar bot_bomb g w
16244 PMertens bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
16318 PMertens bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
16388 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
16438 PMertens bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
16606 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
16655 PMertens bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
56489 aaaa bot_Bomb2005Blitz g w
13845 PMertens bot_Bomb2005CC g w
41359 Fritzlein bot_Bomb2005CC g w
47349 Fritzlein bot_Bomb2005CC g w
48023 Fritzlein bot_Bomb2005CC g w
13755 PMertens bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
13864 robinson bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
39271 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
40840 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
40889 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
41001 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
43097 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
47919 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
47963 chessandgo bot_Bomb2005Fast g w
16857 PMertens bot_Bomb2005P1 g w
16450 PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
16465 99of9 bot_Bomb2005P2 g w
16480 PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 g w
17605 PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
17647 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
17656 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
17659 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
17715 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
17865 Arimanator bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
23743 PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 g w
23745 PMertens bot_Bomb2005P2 m w
1115 MrBrain bot_Brain g w
16780 PMertens bot_Clueless2005P1 g w
36448 Calumet45 bot_Clueless2006Fast m w
28104 OLTI bot_Clueless2006P2 m w
36696 Fritzlein bot_GnoBot2005Fast g w
41005 chessandgo bot_GnoBot2005Fast g w
16773 PMertens bot_GnoBot2005P1 g w
26549 Swynndla bot_GnoBot2005P2 g w
16771 PMertens bot_Loc2005P1 g w
16833 PMertens bot_Loc2005P2 g w
420 tough_to_win bot_ShallowBlue g w
3912 lesmisrules bot_ShallowBlue g w
5571 99of9 bot_ShallowBlue g w
6291 Yuri bot_ShallowBlue g w
8907 88of8 bot_ShallowBlue m w
8912 88of8 bot_ShallowBlue g w
9037 Fritzlein bot_ShallowBlue g w
9054 88of8 bot_ShallowBlue g w
9934 vaurek bot_ShallowBlue g w
11257 Guest2128 bot_ShallowBlue g w
15596 murph1016 bot_ShallowBlue g w

Silver gives handicap against bot:

id wusername busername termination result
8911 bot_Arimaalon 88of8 g b
8946 bot_Arimaalon Fritzlein g b
9058 bot_Arimaalon 88of8 m b
8501 bot_Arimaanator omar g b
8917 bot_Arimaanator Fritzlein g b
11412 bot_Arimaanator omar g b
56774 bot_ArimaaScoreP2 Guest6914 g b
8456 bot_Arimaazilla omar g b
9140 bot_Arimaazilla 88of8 g b
9142 bot_Arimaazilla 88of8 g b
9193 bot_Arimaazilla Fritzlein g b
9200 bot_Arimaazilla 99of9 g b
8900 bot_Arimaazon Fritzlein g b
8909 bot_Arimaazon PMertens g b
25360 bot_bomb Fritzlein g b
71532 bot_Bomb2005Blitz chessandgo g b
71535 bot_Bomb2005Blitz chessandgo g b
47739 bot_Bomb2005CC Fritzlein g b
48013 bot_Bomb2005CC omar g b
55704 bot_Bomb2005CC aaaa g b
47994 bot_Bomb2005Fast Fritzlein g b
56337 bot_Bomb2005Fast aaaa g b
17624 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17655 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17666 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17691 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens g b
17703 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17704 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17705 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens g b
17706 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens g b
17725 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens g b
17729 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17753 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17767 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17792 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
17795 bot_Bomb2005P2 PMertens m b
18187 bot_Clueless2005P1 99of9 g b
28057 bot_Clueless2006P2 OLTI m b
36350 bot_Clueless2006P2 obiwan m b
58522 bot_GnoBot2005P1 722caasi g b
59885 bot_GnoBot2005P1 722caasi g b
26551 bot_GnoBot2005P2 Swynndla g b
29805 bot_GnoBot2006P1 frostlad g b
3377 bot_haizhi bot_ShallowBlue g b
68560 bot_hercules lightvector g b
100 bot_Occam bot_ShallowBlue g b
190 bot_ShallowBlue Getafix g b
859 bot_ShallowBlue Guest597 g b
5778 bot_ShallowBlue Vanilla g b
8401 bot_ShallowBlue maker g b
8906 bot_ShallowBlue 88of8 g b
8910 bot_ShallowBlue Fritzlein g b
9036 bot_ShallowBlue Fritzlein g b
9039 bot_ShallowBlue Fritzlein g b
9391 bot_ShallowBlue 99of9 g b
18569 bot_ShallowBlue Guest3662 g b
10877 bot_speedy Fritzlein m b

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 3^rd, 2008, 4:25pm

Thanks a lot..... ;)

I know my curiosity is going to make me check all of the games you listed. I've already started.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 5^th, 2008, 3:21pm

I've finished going through all of the games you listed and have made the changes to the handicap table.

Most of the games vs. Shallowblue and ArimaaScoreP1 were by new players who probably sacrificed their piece inadvertently during a learning game.

I thought I would show the following game vs. ArimaaScoreP1 as a special case since the human player may have inadvertently sacrified his Elephant and still was able to win in what might have been his first game!

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=66074%20&s=w

A few other games involving Clueless2006p2 completely baffled me. In games 28057 and 28104, OLTI sacrificed all of his pieces save his E and D. However, after he sacrificed all of his rabbits, the bot only made 1 step moves for the rest of the game, making it possible for OLTI to win with such an enormous handicap.

In a similar game - 36448, Camulet45 sacrificed all of his rabbits and then went on to win my immobilization vs Clueless2006fast as the bot only made 1-step moves.

I am thinking these matches should be highlighted under the unusual game pages as they involve strange bot behavior. Note that once the extermination rules go into effect, no player will be able to trigger this behavior because they will have lost when they lose their last rabbit.

Does any one know of any other bots that do this?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 5^th, 2008, 3:45pm

on 04/05/08 at 15:21:13, mistre wrote:

There's nothing remarkable to this, many know about this bug. It's due to an old rule of Arimaa. Once you've lost all your rabbits Clueless2006 thinks that he's won the game and stop trying to beat you. So there's really nothing to it.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Apr 5^th, 2008, 9:27pm

Yes, it will be nice once the game room and tournaments have a unified rule set with losing all your rabbits being a loss.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 99of9 on Apr 5^th, 2008, 11:54pm

on 04/05/08 at 15:21:13, mistre wrote:

I thought I would show the following game vs. ArimaaScoreP1 as a special case since the human player may have inadvertently sacrified his Elephant and still was able to win in what might have been his first game!

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=66074%20&s=w

I think this counts as a clear ER handicap (the R was suicided on the 3rd move after setup, early enough to count in my books). It's impressive that a player has the current handicap record with his first ever game!

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 6^th, 2008, 12:30am

I have E+M handicap for bot_ArimaaScoreP1 and both colors; games 73566 and 73567.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 99of9 on Apr 6^th, 2008, 1:10am

Fastest no-capture win with silver against ArimaaScoreP1: 5 moves in game 73572.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 6^th, 2008, 6:04am

E+M handicap for bot_ArimaaScoreP2 with silver in 25 moves; game 73591

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 99of9 on Apr 6^th, 2008, 7:05am

I had a go at my prediction against ArimaaScoreP1:
EMHHDD with gold, game 73595.
EMHHDD with silver, game 73598.

I think there's more potential in this bot.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by arimaa_master on Apr 6^th, 2008, 7:06am

bot_ArimaaScoreP2: E+M+H handicap with gold in 38 moves (game 73593).

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 6^th, 2008, 7:17am

bot_ArimaaScoreP2: E+M+H+D handicap with silver in 29 moves (game 73597). ;)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 6^th, 2008, 1:40pm

Looks like I sparked a revival of bot-bashing with my Elephant handicap games!

I will update the page with the records in this thread, but from now on - please use the thread, that says New! at the end.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 6^th, 2008, 2:11pm

on 04/06/08 at 07:05:29, 99of9 wrote:

I had a go at my prediction against ArimaaScoreP1:
EMHHDD with gold, game 73595.
EMHHDD with silver, game 73598.

I think there's more potential in this bot.

against ArimaaScoreP1:
EMHHDDR with silver, game 73617 in 14 moves.

You were right 99, there was more potential. ;D

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Sep 15^th, 2008, 11:03am

Game 83242:

Goal in 13 as silver against Aamira2006Fast

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Sep 23^rd, 2008, 10:20am

The Bot Bashing Page has been updated for all of the new bots (Zombie, OpFor, Sharp, Clueless2007, and Loc2007).

Please check for accuracy.

Also, I have identified the following 3 games that are questionable records because they likely are vs. early development versions of the bots and not the current versions. This is because all 3 games involved unassisted E-Suicides on the part of the bot.

Arimaazilla - http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=90&s=w

Shallowblue - http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=249&s=w

and

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=281&s=b

If these records are disqualified, I will need help finding the correct records for these.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Sep 24^th, 2008, 9:18am

Game 84074:

Goal in 13 as Gold against Aamira2006Fast

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Sep 25^th, 2008, 11:57am

Game 84220:

Goal in 13 as Silver against Aamira2006Blitz

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by tize on Oct 4^th, 2008, 6:57am

Game 84797

As silver against bot_Sharp2008P2, goal in 12.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Oct 4^th, 2008, 10:46pm

Game 84854

As gold against bot_loc2007Fast, win by immobilisation in 47.

Im not sure if unrated games count

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 99of9 on Oct 5^th, 2008, 1:20am

on 10/04/08 at 22:46:11, Tachyon wrote:

Im not sure if unrated games count

Yes, unrated games definitely count. In fact, if you are taking risks (like handicaps) to achieve your botbashing, it is better for the ratings & statistics if you do it unrated.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Kraizy_Dave on Oct 9^th, 2008, 1:19pm

31 move immobilisation against gnobot2005_blitz
Game 85236
(previous record 42)

i think about 25 moves should be possible with the same method.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Kraizy_Dave on Oct 11^th, 2008, 3:57pm

no piece captured immobilisation (79 moves gold)

against bot_clueless2007Blitz
game 85424

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Kraizy_Dave on Oct 12^th, 2008, 1:07pm

no piece captured imobilisation
game 85510
against Bomb2005Blitz

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Oct 16^th, 2008, 10:09pm

Gold win by Immobilization against Gnobot2005Fast

51 Moves - Game # 85822

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Oct 17^th, 2008, 1:19am

Game 85835

As Gold against bot_Zombie2008Fast, goal in 17.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Gerenuk on Oct 18^th, 2008, 8:51am

Goal with 13 with Gold vs OpFor2008P2
Game 85971

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Oct 19^th, 2008, 1:39am

Game 86042

As Gold against bot_Aamira2006Blitz, goal in 12.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Nov 5^th, 2008, 1:11pm

Records have been updated. Kraizy_Dave has become only the 7th Arimaa Player to achieve a no-capture immobilization.

Please continue to post records here as I am no longer actively checking for them.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by peppi on Nov 11^th, 2008, 6:20am

game 88124: as silver against bot_clueless2007P2 in 11 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by peppi on Nov 12^th, 2008, 5:36pm

game 88323: as silver against bot_zombie2008blitz in 11 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Recordgame 88323: as silv
Post by peppi on Nov 16^th, 2008, 6:55am

game 88664: as gold against bot_clueless2007fast in 11 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by peppi on Nov 16^th, 2008, 3:51pm

game 88694: as silver against bot_clueless2007blitz in 10 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by peppi on Nov 16^th, 2008, 4:34pm

game 88701: as silver against bot_OpFor2008blitz in 16 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Nov 19^th, 2008, 9:51pm

Game : 89037

Bomb2005CC - No Capture Immobilization 29 Moves

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Nov 20^th, 2008, 10:10am

good job Tachyon! quite the feat,

i have some less meaningful records:

Game 88960

Game 88959

Game 88956

Game 88744

Game 88375

Game 86711

didn't realize i had so many
(my praise of Tachyon was not meant to be sarcastic...i think it sounds that way after i found these)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Nov 22^nd, 2008, 3:38am

Game 86563 against Clueless2005blitz DDH handicap as gold
pretty fast too :)

Game 89191 against OpFor2008P1 move 9 goal as Gold

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Nov 25^th, 2008, 11:59am

Game 89473

against Bomb2005Blitz goal in 11 as silver

im actually happy about this one, took me two tries to get it

Loc2007Blitz, immobilization 36 moves as gold
Game 91290

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gert7 on Nov 26^th, 2008, 2:26am

Two records I think:

game 89554 OpForBlitz2008 Gold 13 moves
game 89283 OpforFast2008 Gold 18 moves

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by svartalfar17 on Dec 4^th, 2008, 10:11pm

Immobilization without a single capture by either side.

Game 89093

bot_SushiNinja

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Dec 5^th, 2008, 7:24am

bot_SushiNinja does not count for anything as it is a developers bot

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Dec 5^th, 2008, 10:17am

Welcome to the Forum svartalfar17!

What Tuks means to say is not that your achievement is too worthless to even mention. Please feel free to post about anything you think is worthy of note.

What Tuks means instead is that the Bot Bashing Hall of Fame restricts itself to recording records for bots that are not changing. For example, if someone crushed bot_bomb when it was in an early developmental stage, it's not fair to compare it to someone trying to beat bot_bomb later when it became the strongest bot around. Because we anticipate that some day bot_SushiNinja may be much stronger than it is at present, but will then still play under the same name, it doesn't make sense to track records for bot_SushiNinja.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tachyon on Dec 5^th, 2008, 11:34pm

Hi Fritz

I was wondering how the hall of fame deals with bots that change their play when playing unrated games. Surely setting up a record is not the same for the same bot when playing it unrated than playing it rated. The hall of fame does not distinguish between the two .... or does it ???

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Dec 6^th, 2008, 2:33am

yes, sorry, i meant what fritz said

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Dec 6^th, 2008, 6:26am

Good question Tachyon. I don't think the bot-bashing community has reached a consensus about what to do about bots that play differently when unrated. It makes sense that it is difficult to know what to do, because the motivation behind developers making their bots play differently when unrated is to frustrate a certain type of bot-bashing.

Given that so far the only change is to use a weaker a setup for unrated gmaes, but not play weaker thereafter, my inclination would be to count all records anyway.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Gerenuk on Dec 9^th, 2008, 4:16am

Op_For2008Fast
Goal in 12 with Silver
#90910 (changed)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Gerenuk on Dec 10^th, 2008, 3:19pm

Clueless2007Fast
Goal 23 as Gold
#91059

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Quirk on Jan 8^th, 2009, 8:29pm

I managed to shave one off bot_Zombie2008Fast's stated score for gold; got it down from 17 to 16 to win by goal.

Game 93582.
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=93582&s=w

I'd had a really bad run against this bot for a bit, trying to play its game and making any number of tactical blunders (I think it was a bad day, really...) and then I started winning a little bit. For this game I looked at some of the botbashing record games, and then at some of the past quicker wins against Zombie2008Fast, then came up with a crazy starting setup and went for a quick rabbit win up the left hand side. It features what's got to be a relatively uncommon starting camel position.

I think there are some issues with the bot, incidentally - it's lost quite a lot of games on time, including one I played with it recently where it wanted to repeat the position a third time and couldn't, and sulked for five minutes. It might bear some looking into.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Quirk on Jan 9^th, 2009, 10:20pm

And another one, rather more impressive in the margin reduced:

gold against bot_OpFor2008Fast, reduced from a stated 34 moves to just 14.
Game 93677
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=93677&s=w

I think the stats on that one are outdated anyway. Looking back, it's had a loss in 12 against someone playing silver and 18 against someone playing gold - but as far as I can tell, 14 is the fastest against it with gold.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jan 12^th, 2009, 7:44pm

If someone else wants to take over the duty of updating the page, be my guest. I have stopped updating it.

Karl (Fritzlein) - can give you the password.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Jan 12^th, 2009, 8:18pm

ill do it if i have time, Fritz, send me the password either by email on on the forum

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Jan 12^th, 2009, 8:46pm

on 01/12/09 at 20:18:31, Tuks wrote:

ill do it if i have time, Fritz, send me the password either by email on on the forum

Sent. If you have extra time, an extra-nice service would be to move it over to the new wiki. Ask Omar to make an account for you there if you feel up to it. I understand that the plan is eventually to shut down the old wiki after everything has been moved over.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Jan 13^th, 2009, 9:41am

i got it, and i looked at it, i will edit it on the weekend, im having trouble finding time to do anything other than studying for exams during this (and next) week and when i do find time, i like using it for relaxation.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jan 21^st, 2009, 1:51pm

After a break from Arimaa from a while, I am slowly getting back into it - I will resume botbash update page duty and have those new records updated soon. I just beat OpforP1 in 9 moves which is a new record :-)

Tuks you are off the hook ;)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Jan 21^st, 2009, 3:28pm

It's good to have you back, mistre. Just yesterday 99of9 and I were counting up how many potential Challenge defenders had become inactive.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Tuks on Jan 22^nd, 2009, 6:21am

o ok, i just finished exams so if you need help dont hesitate to ask

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jan 22^nd, 2009, 11:32am

Records updated. Please check for accuracy. I am most impressed with peppi's records (presumably a 9-yr old girl) from the Netherlands.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Jan 22^nd, 2009, 12:16pm

on 01/22/09 at 11:32:42, mistre wrote:

I am most impressed with peppi's records (presumably a 9-yr old girl) from the Netherlands.

The personal information is obviously a joke. Peppi & Kokki is a slapstick comedy duo that had some success in the Netherlands a few decades back. It could be like a nine-year-old in the U.S. naming their account Cindy Brady; most likely it's an adult, because kids that young probably didn't grow up loving the Brady Bunch. And not only is peppi probably an adult, the game records suggest it may well be an experienced player who has played before under another account name.

I have no objections to people playing anonymously, and no objections to their records being in the bot-bashing Hall of Fame, but I'm not about to give extra kudos because someone faked his personal information.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jan 22^nd, 2009, 1:55pm

I am not sure. This person may not really be a 9-year old from the Netherlands, but I can't tell from game history if it is an old user using an alias or an actual new player. If you look at Peppi's record (45-117), it is certainly possible that this is a new player who found a way to bash a few bots. Still, It could be an old user who was really trying to disguise his or her intentions. It has been awfully quiet around here without one infamous player (I won't name names)... hint hint.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by RonWeasley on Jan 23^rd, 2009, 5:07am

on 01/22/09 at 12:16:41, Fritzlein wrote:

What? You mean this might not be the REAL Peppi or the REAL Cindy Brady? I'm so disillusioned.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Jan 23^rd, 2009, 6:41am

I guess the only person who can clear this up for us is peppi himself. (or herself) :)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Janzert on Jan 26^th, 2009, 2:39pm

I made an initial import of the TWiki page over to the new wiki. It can be found at http://arimaa.com/arimaa/mwiki/index.php/Bot_Bashers.

There are still a few minor formatting things that need to be cleaned up but I've at least converted the tables and I think all the links to the correct format.

Janzert

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Jan 26^th, 2009, 6:48pm

Sweet. Thanks Janzert. That may have been the hardest part of the old Twiki to move. Now we need to get the game room link switched over, and persuade mistre to update at the new place.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by omar on Jan 26^th, 2009, 10:23pm

Wow, nice going Janzert. It looks much nicer in the new wiki.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jan 28^th, 2009, 2:23pm

Just let me know how I go about updating on the new Wiki.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by omar on Jan 29^th, 2009, 11:41am

mistre, you should be receiving an mail soon with you login for the new wiki.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by 99of9 on Jan 29^th, 2009, 1:59pm

could i have one too please?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ngerhart on Feb 11^th, 2009, 9:11pm

check out game 97040; win over arimascoreP1 by elimination in 15 moves with all my pieces returning to their original place.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ngerhart on Feb 11^th, 2009, 9:13pm

BotOpFor2008P1
Immobilization/annihilation win by gold in 51 moves
Game #96974

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 3^rd, 2009, 7:37pm

Any new records to report?

I had thought about adding fastest elimination games at one point, but elimination games tend to be pretty boring unless you throw in some extra twists, so just listing the fastest eliminations would be kind of pointless.

I still want to tie up some loose ends on the fastest immos for shallow blue and arimaazilla. The records posted by Fritzlein for these bots appeared to be very early testing games where the bot suicided its Elephant within the first few moves and therefore I am guessing that these were not the final versions of the bots that are currently on the ladder. Can we figure out the real records for these?

Bot bashing has been pretty quiet lately as everyone is taking on the new gnobot and clueless bots anyways.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ngerhart on Apr 15^th, 2009, 8:13pm

Game 102863 gold wins in 28 by immobilization against bot_arimaascorep1 but BOTH players are immobilized.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by erict on Apr 17^th, 2009, 10:33am

I just beat bot_GnoBot2005P1 in 8 moves as silver.

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=103046&s=b

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by zuborm on Apr 21^st, 2009, 9:59am

game 98828: It posibly a record against bot_OpFor2008P2 with silver win by goal in 20

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 29^th, 2009, 9:49am

on 04/17/09 at 10:33:33, erict wrote:

I just beat bot_GnoBot2005P1 in 8 moves as silver.

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=103046&s=b

Congrats on beating a more than 4-year old record! It has been added to the bot-bash hall of fame.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Apr 29^th, 2009, 9:51am

on 04/15/09 at 20:13:25, ngerhart wrote:

Game 102863 gold wins in 28 by immobilization against bot_arimaascorep1 but BOTH players are immobilized.

This qualifies as a no-capture immobilization. You are only the 9th player in Arimaa history to complete one and the first vs. this bot. It has been added to the bot bash hall of fame. Here is a challenge for you - can you do the same vs ArimaaScoreP2?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by novacat on May 5^th, 2009, 6:00am

I just found the bot bashing page and wanted to add a couple of my recent games:

game 103019; Loc2007Blitz vs novacat* silver wins by goal in 20 moves

game 103357; Zombie2008Blitz vs novacat* silver wins by goal in 10 moves

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on May 8^th, 2009, 1:10pm

novacat,

the records have been updated. Congrats on having 2 botbashing records!

Also, looking at your profile, I saw that you registered way back in 2004! What made you stop playing? What made you come back?

For me, Arimaa has had more staying power than any other online game I have played and I foresee it being that way well into the future. Although I do have to say I have started playing a browser based strategy game that I really love now called Imperial Ages...

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by zuborm on May 8^th, 2009, 1:19pm

mistre
please check my game I think you forgot
game 98828 i win with goal against bot_OpFor2008P2 with silver

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by novacat on May 14^th, 2009, 7:15am

Finally got a no-capture immobilization!
game 105975; clueless2007fast vs novacat* silver wins by immobilization in 59 moves.

Mistre, I stopped playing Arimaa because I got too busy working my way through college. I had the homepage tabbed though, and saw it recently when I built a new computer and wanted to see what tabs I had on my old one.
I saw the bot ladder and decided I had to beat it!

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on May 27^th, 2009, 3:00pm

Novacat, it is good to know that Arimaa has some enduring draw, even for players who have drifted away from regular games. I expect that the publication of boxed Arimaa sets will entice many new people to play on arimaa.com, but your case makes me think that we might also see a surge of returning players.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Sie on Jun 6^th, 2009, 12:37am

Please check game 130699 (bot_Sharp2008P1 vs Sie). I think it's a new fastest win by goal record.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Simon on Jun 6^th, 2009, 12:22pm

Sie, did you mean game 108156 (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=108156)? It's better to use the number of the finished game rather than the number of the game table, since it's easier to look up.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Sie on Jun 10^th, 2009, 9:14am

Yes, Simon, this was it. Where can I find the finished game number?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Simon on Jun 11^th, 2009, 9:53am

Just check the recent games list (or your own personal recent games list) after you finish the game.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Kraizy_Dave on Jun 11^th, 2009, 1:28pm

A couple of no piece capture immobilizations that I forgot to update a while back:

games
85730 vs arimaa score (I like this one :D) 41 moves
85900 vs bomb2005blitz 31 moves

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Kraizy_Dave on Jun 16^th, 2009, 12:51pm

no piece capture imobilisation

horse horse camel dog dog handicap

game archive 109136

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by NJames on Oct 9^th, 2011, 2:58pm

I'd like to suggest game 198757 as a bot-bashing record. Playing silver, I immobilized Sharp2008p2 in 29 moves.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Eltripas on Oct 9^th, 2011, 6:31pm

The bot bashers records are not updated:

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=194747&s=b

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by NJames on Oct 9^th, 2011, 11:17pm

Bummer. Someone should update the bot bashing page to indicate that it's not a current contest.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by novacat on Oct 10^th, 2011, 4:25am

I notice the link under "Contests" in the game room links to the old page rather than the new, slightly more up to date, page here http://arimaa.com/arimaa/mwiki/index.php/Bot_Bashers.

The contest is still technically active. The wiki page is in fact up to date with all posted game records except for a few on this forum page. Of course there have been no games submitted in over two years, so there are probably several new records like the one Eltripas has linked.

Seeing as it has been so long since the last update, it may be necessary to get a new volunteer to be in charge of updating the page.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Oct 10^th, 2011, 9:41am

I kept it up for a while, but I don't have any interest in doing so anymore. If anyone is interested in updating the page, the password is wiki123.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Fritzlein on Oct 10^th, 2011, 11:53am

The records ought to be maintained by someone who has an active interest in setting botbashing records himself. For my part, I find the art of Arimaa per se to be more rewarding and engaging than the art of exploiting bot weaknesses. In the long run, opponents that don't change and adapt are bound to be less entertaining than humans who do. Perhaps mistre "graduated" from botbashing by getting too good at Arimaa. But in the short run it can be a lot of fun to try to win ever more gloriously against a fixed opponent. Someone who digs it could do the community a fine service by bringing the botbashing page up to date and maintaining it actively.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Oct 11^th, 2011, 8:35am

on 10/10/11 at 11:53:44, Fritzlein wrote:

Perhaps mistre "graduated" from botbashing by getting too good at Arimaa.

Yes, I would say that comment was fairly accurate. Other reasons I lost interest were because I felt like I accomplished everything I wanted to with bot bashing and I left the game for a while completely to take a break. Since starting back up again, my focus and interest has been in other areas.

It would be great to see some sort of automated record keeping process for bot bashing, but barring that, it would be good for Arimaa if some one would like to step in and keep the records up to date. There is a whole mess of new bots that don't even have records yet :o

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on May 18^th, 2012, 3:38pm

I have stepped in now to maintain the botbashing records for a while. :) Actually I have written a program that generates the records automatically out of the game archives, and also prints the new ones. Using this, many old and new records have been found. The tables are now quite long because all bots available to play are listed.

I was also able to improve some records myself. During these attempts I found out that some older records are not reproducible, seemingly because these bots now run on faster hardware than before. Of course also against bots which greatly vary the setup position the records are hardly reproducible.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ocmiente on May 18^th, 2012, 4:27pm

Thanks for updating the records.

Can you add a table for "Fastest Win by Elimination"?

Does your program detect no-capture immobilization games yet? The reason I ask is that at least one game is missing from that list.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by browni3141 on May 18^th, 2012, 7:00pm

I have two no capture immobilizations, which should be three, except that I managed to let my opponent sacrifice a dog :(.
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=230036
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=221811

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ginrunner on May 18^th, 2012, 10:24pm

I think i have 1 or 2 no capture immobilization somewhere

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on May 20^th, 2012, 3:49pm

@ocmiente: I already expected that your wishes would come up. But I wanted to wait for the requests. Actually for the pleasure of many I have fulfilled both wishes today. :D

I have included all empty cells in all three tables for "Fastest Win", so you may now compete in filling the gaps. :)
I managed to bash GnoBot2010P1 two times today, helped by being very lucky that the bot enabled me to capture its elephant!

Generating the complete list of no-capture immobilizations with the help of my computer program revealed a big surprise: 73 games were found, but only 30 were listed on the old page. Ignoring 3 games (2 against developer bots and 1 achieved by copying all moves from another record game) there are now 70 games listed. These have been played by 23 different people (excluding one against a developer bot).

@browni3141, @ginrunner: now you will find all your records in the updated web page.

!!!!!! It is no longer necessary to post records here, except records involving handicaps !!!!!!

But if I find time, I will manage to meet this challenge too. :) It needs just a bit more sophisticated programming.

It would be possible even now to generate a list of fastest win by goal without any capture by either side. Should I add this list to the bot bashers page?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by browni3141 on May 20^th, 2012, 4:54pm

Quote:

It would be possible even now to generate a list of fastest win by goal without any capture by either side. Should I add this list to the bot bashers page?

Maybe if we're adding so much stuff it should be organized on seperate pages? The bot bashers page is getting quite big.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ocmiente on May 20^th, 2012, 11:25pm

Thanks for all the work you did to update this!

on 05/20/12 at 15:49:20, schr66 wrote:

It would be possible even now to generate a list of fastest win by goal without any capture by either side. Should I add this list to the bot bashers page?

Yes, please. It did occur to me to ask earlier, but I didn't want to ask for too much :)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on May 21^st, 2012, 8:56am

Excellent schr66!

I really appreciate you taking this on and improving it. Having a computer program automatically generate records is a very welcome addition.

A few questions - how often are you planning on running the program? Weekly? Bi-Weekly? Monthly? It would be nice to run it on a set schedule and then be able to generate a list of new records and post to this page so everyone can see which records have been beaten each time the program is run.

Also, can you run a query for all games that were won by elimination with only opponents rabbits captured and no other opponent pieces? I did this a few times and I am not sure if anyone else has or has even tried to. I would call it "Win by Elimination, rabbits-only".

Finally, I agree that the page is getting quite lengthy - It would be neat to see sub-pages as tabs within the main page but I am not sure the wiki supports that format.

Once again, thanks for taking this on and keep up the good work!

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on May 24^th, 2012, 7:19am

@ocmiente
I have now added the category "FASTEST WIN BY GOAL WITHOUT CAPTURE" to the Bot Bashers page. This table contains many empty places yet, so this is an opportunity even for weaker players to set new records here.

Quote:

A few questions - how often are you planning on running the program? Weekly? Bi-Weekly? Monthly? It would be nice to run it on a set schedule and then be able to generate a list of new records and post to this page so everyone can see which records have been beaten each time the program is run.

I may run the program about bi-weekly. It will repeatedly cost some time though, so I am thinking about possibilites to automatize the process even more. With the help of omar this should be possible.
Concerning the list of changes I think this is not necessary because one can easily see these using the View History tab and the Compare selected revisions button of the Wiki.
This keeps the forum topic cleaner as well.

Quote:

Also, can you run a query for all games that were won by elimination with only opponents rabbits captured and no other opponent pieces? I did this a few times and I am not sure if anyone else has or has even tried to. I would call it "Win by Elimination, rabbits-only".

Well, this is a very special wish. Do other people too have interest in this? Also it is not so easy to program. So, maybe later. :)

Quote:

Finally, I agree that the page is getting quite lengthy - It would be neat to see sub-pages as tabs within the main page but I am not sure the wiki supports that format.

I agree but I don't know either how to do that. I am no expert in wikimedia. Any help would be appreciated here.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on May 26^th, 2012, 8:08am

Now I have managed to generate all handicap games out of the game archives by my program. I have also updated the table in section "LARGEST HANDICAP WIN". The old table contained 29 bots and only 6 players. The new table contains 61 bots and 23 players. After reading the discussion about "handicap order - what beats what?" in this forum I decided to list two records for 10 of the bots.
I found 3 cases where the old record was not correct, because an older one was better but not known: both records against Clueless2006P2 (also the only ones with all rabbits sacrificed) and the record by 99of9 against Arimaazilla. On the other side, NO record of the old table was improved by a later one. So, the bot bashers did a very good job against the older bots, especially Arimabuff.

I also found two more handicap no-capture immobilizations.

Now finally ALL records listed on the bot bashers page have been updated and are complete because all have been generated automatically. And it is easy to update them regularly using my software. Phew! 8)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on May 26^th, 2012, 10:05am

Wow, lots of handicap records are available for the taking. Maybe this will coax Arimabuff out of retirement!

One minor issue with the page... I realize that you ordered the bots in alphabetical order to make sure that you didn't miss any, but in most cases it makes sense to order them in other ways - either by grouping bots by speeds, fewest moves to most moves, largest handicap to smallest handicap, etc.

Perhaps, the bot bashers page or pages (if split into multiples) should be housed on the main site and not in the wiki if this gives us more flexibility on how to design it. Or even it's own website!

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by browni3141 on May 26^th, 2012, 8:42pm

I just beat some of Arimaabuff's old records. Maybe he will want to try and get them back ;). Many of the old records are very solid, but several probably would be beaten easily. The lightning version of bomb didn't even have a handicap record for gold, and I'm assuming it was put up in 2005! I went ahead and took that one.

Edit: There are still developer bot records on the page. Including in the No capture immobilization section where you specifically say that no developer bots are listed. While it's interesting to see those records, and I have three handicap records against weak developer bots, I'm not sure that they should be there.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on May 26^th, 2012, 10:41pm

You do realize that you can play games unrated, right? It is generally encouraged to play handicap games unrated so that the gameroom ratings remain as accurate as possible.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by browni3141 on May 26^th, 2012, 11:03pm

on 05/26/12 at 22:41:13, mistre wrote:

You do realize that you can play games unrated, right? It is generally encouraged to play handicap games unrated so that the gameroom ratings remain as accurate as possible.

Who, me? I usually do unless I'm fairly certain that I can win, or it's such a small handicap that it's unlikely to affect the result. I played four simultaneous dog handicap games against weak bots, and I thought I would easily win them all, but I ended up losing one. Is that what you're reffering to? Sure I also played Bomb rated, but I'd guess that a mere dog in a lightning game isn't enough to affect win percentages significantly.
I've been losing a lot of games the past few days, but almost all of them are due to my own in game failures, not because of handicaps.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jun 6^th, 2012, 10:43am

Do we have any other game as the one below (Goal, elimination and immobilization)

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=199024

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ocmiente on Jun 6^th, 2012, 12:59pm

Yes, there is at least one other (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=132400&s=w). I suspect there are several more.

I think it's an interesting ending to a game, but I'm not sure it's worth tracking. The ending itself seems contrived. Not as bad as, say, ending with all of your pieces in a diagonal, but I think it's more contrived than the other ways to win that are being tracked.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Jun 7^th, 2012, 10:02am

on 06/06/12 at 12:59:07, ocmiente wrote:

I don't think that it's the "contrivity" that's important. I think it's the actual difficulty and ACTIVE competition involved that make a record worth mentionning. The idea of a record of a few accidents, to say nothing of a record of ONE, is ridiculous.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ocmiente on Jun 7^th, 2012, 11:15am

on 06/07/12 at 10:02:51, Arimabuff wrote:

Yes, I agree with that. I found that when trying to end a game in this particular way, it was not as interesting as I thought it would be. To your point, I would question whether competing to end a game in this way (goal, immobilization, elimination) would attract that many people. My few attempts satisfied me to the point that my interest in doing it again is gone. Winning by goal with no captures, on the other hand, still interests me.

What I would find incredibly interesting is if someone could win by goal, immobilization, and elimination, AND no captures on either side. I don't expect anyone has ever done that. I would be happy to be proven wrong. Or, maybe that's just a puzzle. Set up a board position that could lead to such a thing.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by tize on Jun 7^th, 2012, 11:58am

on 06/07/12 at 11:15:34, ocmiente wrote:

What I would find incredibly interesting is if someone could win by goal, immobilization, and elimination, AND no captures on either side.

Hmm, eliminating the opponent without capturing any rabbits. :D
I'd say that that would be very interesting to see.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ocmiente on Jun 7^th, 2012, 12:11pm

:-[
too early in the morning for me.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by tize on Jun 7^th, 2012, 1:06pm

Maybe I should confess that I started by thinking that it would be very easy to set up such a puzzle... :)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by rbarreira on Jun 7^th, 2012, 6:04pm

Well it is possible, depending on the definition of "capture". :P

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jun 8^th, 2012, 12:30am

Who has won most bots in each category? (By Goal, By Elimination and By Immobilization) ???

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jun 13^th, 2012, 10:12am

Eliminated the bot without capturing any piece, is this a record?

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/opengamewin.cgi?client=1&gameid=234463&role=v&side=b

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by ocmiente on Jun 13^th, 2012, 2:02pm

on 06/13/12 at 10:12:11, gurugsk wrote:

Eliminated the bot without capturing any piece, is this a record?

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/opengamewin.cgi?client=1&gameid=234463&role=v&side=b

It's the first time I've seen a game like that. So, maybe a record of some sort.

This raises the philosophical question of whether putting your opponent into a position in which the only way for him to move is to lose one of his pieces means that he just lost his piece or that the piece was 'captured'.

I lean toward saying that the piece was captured when the loss is forced, especially when thinking about the elephant. The only way to eliminate the elephant is by a blunder, or by forcing your opponent into a position where the only way to move would cause his elephant to be lost. I would say that the elephant was captured in that case, but maybe there is a better term for it. Seems kind of like herding an animal into a trap - and I think you herded the rabbits very well in the game you cited.

Practically speaking, searching the database of games for pieces that were captured vs. lost is much more difficult than simply looking to see if any pieces were removed from the board at the end of the game.

On the other hand... what you have done is different than how the game is usually played, so maybe the 'captured' vs. 'lost' distinction is worth making.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Jun 14^th, 2012, 5:18am

on 06/13/12 at 14:02:07, ocmiente wrote:

It's a record of sorts but so is playing an entire game without moving your camel or a game where you keep the distance between your horses constant... the possibilities are endless...

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Jun 14^th, 2012, 9:36am

I see it more as a specific challenge than a single record. If you want to organize a challenge contest like idahoev did back in 2006 with some kind of conditions, you might get some interest, depending on what the conditions are.

The hard part is to make the conditions difficult enough to be a challenge, but also not so obscure that it will still appeal to the most number of potential challengers and not take an inordinate amount of moves to achieve.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Jun 14^th, 2012, 1:29pm

on 06/14/12 at 09:36:06, mistre wrote:

I have a very bad memory of idahoev's challenge because even though I won the all the bots even the ones where a record had been set previously by others and as agreed I won the prize twice. Not only did he manage NOT to give me the prize and not praise me for my accomplishment but he later insulted me by saying that I had ruined the challenge by discouraging anybody else from playing it. So, don't talk to me about idahoev, he's a despicable individual not worth the effort to spit on him.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by browni3141 on Jun 14^th, 2012, 6:42pm

I would certainly participate in any sort of friendly competition or "challenge". I can't think of any suitable challenge conditions though. It's been so long that I don't think many would mind if the same conditions were used.
I will warn you all that I'm the type to take something like this a bit to seriously and work obsessively to win it, especially if there is other competition nearly as driven to win as I am.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jun 15^th, 2012, 4:27am

How about a tournament to beat the most number of bots by elimination within a stipulated time.

If 2 or more person has beaten the same number of bot, tie-breaker based on least average number of moves played.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Manuel on Jun 15^th, 2012, 6:42am

I would say that beating a bot by elimination without any other constraints (like no other captures, within a certain number of moves, etc.) is hardly a challenge: When you are beating the bot, just don't go for the goal but keep on capturing its pieces...

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Jun 15^th, 2012, 8:32am

on 06/15/12 at 06:42:25, Manuel wrote:

Ironically, the two challenges that idaohev set were intriguing enough and made for some interesting games . One was to win against a bot without playing more than three steps in a move (without the bot being restricted the same way as goes without saying ;)) and the second was even more difficult, it was to win without your elephant even going beyond your fourth row (so the elephant would be for defensive purposes only). The three step moves forced people to find some really inventive ways to do what would have been a piece of cake with four steps for instance. I did like these challenges, in spite of the rest.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jun 21^st, 2012, 12:36pm

I have few question:

Who has taken less number of games to complete the bot ladder?
Who has completed it in the shorter period? and
Who has completed in fewest moves?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by hyperpape on Jun 21^st, 2012, 1:20pm

I think Tharkun was the fastest.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Jun 21^st, 2012, 2:46pm

on 06/21/12 at 13:20:45, hyperpape wrote:

I think Tharkun was the fastest.

Fastest in number of days to complete it or games or of added duration of the games or of total numbers of moves of all the games or of the added time it took him to start a game after he logged on?

;)

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on Jun 27^th, 2012, 11:58am

on 06/13/12 at 10:12:11, gurugsk wrote:

Eliminated the bot without capturing any piece, is this a record?

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/opengamewin.cgi?client=1&gameid=234463&role=v&side=b

I have added this game to the page "Unusual Games" in the ArimaaWiki.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on Jun 27^th, 2012, 12:23pm

on 06/06/12 at 10:43:53, gurugsk wrote:

Do we have any other game as the one below (Goal, elimination and immobilization)

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=199024

I added your game and the game of ocmiente to the ArimaaWiki page "Unusual Games" in section "Unusual Endings".

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jul 2^nd, 2012, 8:56am

Few interesting games by Christian (odin73)

http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=236730
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=236826

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jul 2^nd, 2012, 8:57am

Has anyone done the double elimination and double immobilization in one move ???

And who will be declared as "Winner" on both cases?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Hippo on Jul 2^nd, 2012, 3:31pm

on 07/02/12 at 08:57:48, gurugsk wrote:

Has anyone done the double elimination and double immobilization in one move ???

And who will be declared as "Winner" on both cases?

Don't know.
[edit]aaaa[/edit] did it as shown 2 posts later ;)

The player who made the move. ... you mean making board empty?
[edit]
Oh there could be double immobilization without annihilation. But that requires passivity of the player with the strongest piece.

MhC
hD
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[/edit]

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jul 3^rd, 2012, 11:18am

I believe there will be more games with double elimination:

The link to one which I recently achieved:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=237014 ;D

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by aaaa on Jul 3^rd, 2012, 11:29am

Is this (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=92455) what you're referring to?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Jul 4^th, 2012, 12:51am

Yes, that's the one. Great game...

Do we have any more games like this???

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by aaaa on Jul 4^th, 2012, 8:05am

It's probably not what you're looking for, but here (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=125062) is another, much more impressive instance of repeating a position (and side to move) that existed before all the pieces were set up.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by schr66 on Aug 18^th, 2012, 10:46am

I have added a new section to the Bot Bashers wiki page:

PLAYERS HOLDING MOST RECORDS ON THIS PAGE

Arimabuff: 83
joe: 62
mistre: 56
browni3141: 35
Arimanator: 34
...

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Arimabuff on Aug 29^th, 2012, 10:32am

on 08/18/12 at 10:46:16, schr66 wrote:

I have added a new section to the Bot Bashers wiki page:

PLAYERS HOLDING MOST RECORDS ON THIS PAGE

Arimabuff: 83
joe: 62
mistre: 56
browni3141: 35
Arimanator: 34
...

Arimabuff and Arimanator are only one person, IE me. ;)

That means that in total I still hold 117 records!!!

Yay me!!! ;D

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by browni3141 on Aug 29^th, 2012, 8:27pm

on 08/29/12 at 10:32:01, Arimabuff wrote:

Arimabuff and Arimanator are only one person, IE me. ;)

That means that in total I still hold 117 records!!!

Yay me!!! ;D

For now...

Seriously though, some of those old ones you have probably aren't possible to beat.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on Dec 10^th, 2012, 8:06am

Bot bashing has been updated almost 3 moths earlier. When will be the next update?

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by mistre on Feb 3^rd, 2014, 10:59pm

The records have not been updated in almost a year now. Is anyone willing to pick up the mantle from Schr66? He designed a program that enabled auto updating of the records, but he has been MIA for some time now. Not sure if there is a way to contact him or if someone else could write a similar program.

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by Ail on Feb 5^th, 2014, 3:41pm

on 07/04/12 at 08:05:53, aaaa wrote:

That was totally amazing! I would even call it a piece of art! :D

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by gurugsk on May 13^th, 2015, 8:29am

It's more than 2 years now. Someone willing to update the Bot Basher page??? ???

Title: Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record
Post by deep_blue on Jun 27^th, 2015, 6:33pm

For the first time I managed to setup a 99of9 setup in enemy half: http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=351626 (even a postal game)