Arimaa Forum - Print Page


    
      
        Arimaa Forum
        (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/forum/cgi/YaBB.cgi)
      

        Arimaa >> General Discussion >> What's best as a handicap?
        
(Message started by: Arimabuff on Apr 24^th, 2008, 6:18pm)

Title: What's best as a handicap?
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 24^th, 2008, 6:18pm

EMHDDCC

or

EMHHDD ?

According to mistre's order it's the second one but if one refers to aaaa's then it's the first one.

Title: Re: What's best as a handicap?
Post by The_Jeh on Apr 24^th, 2008, 6:23pm

on 04/24/08 at 18:18:46, Arimabuff wrote:

EMHDDCC

or

EMHHDD ?

According to mistre's order it's the second one but if one refers to aaaa's then it's the first one.

If you reduce that down, the question is whether CC is better than H, and I think most people would agree that H is better than CC. Did you mean to ask about a different handicap?

Title: Re: What's best as a handicap?
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 24^th, 2008, 6:34pm

on 04/24/08 at 18:23:00, The_Jeh wrote:

If you reduce that down, the question is whether CC is better than H, and I think most people would agree that H is better than CC. Did you mean to ask about a different handicap?

I hold them both for ArimaaScoreP2 and was wondering which one I should display.

Title: Re: What's best as a handicap?
Post by 99of9 on Apr 24^th, 2008, 11:03pm

on 04/24/08 at 18:23:00, The_Jeh wrote:

If you reduce that down, the question is whether CC is better than H, and I think most people would agree that H is better than CC. Did you mean to ask about a different handicap?

"Reduce down" is not a good way to think, because it assumes piece values stay roughly constant no matter what else is on the board. That's the point of using these materials evaluators that know better.

If we're only listing one record per bot, I would tend to go with aaaa's list, since it is comprehensive and the methodology is at least as good.

But we still haven't really come to a conclusion on whether to use partial orders instead (which would mean you should list both), or whether to order according to how that handicap has performed against other bots (which would probably mean listing both for the moment, but you would need to look through other records in quite a bit of detail to figure out what to do). (Discussion in the other thread.) Do you have an opinion on this Arimanator?

Title: Re: What's best as a handicap?
Post by Arimabuff on Apr 24^th, 2008, 11:41pm

on 04/24/08 at 23:03:53, 99of9 wrote:

...Do you have an opinion on this Arimanator?

In this particular case, I would say that one horse is the best since each cat could and did assist the other. Therefore, the one horse remaining handicap was definitely harder.