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(Message started by: megajester on Oct 17^th, 2010, 4:05pm)

Title: Goal suicide
Post by megajester on Oct 17^th, 2010, 4:05pm

Hands up everybody who thinks it's funny to suicide your elephant (and camel if possible!) on the last move as you goal, a la my latest victory after a long, depressing dry spell (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/opengamewin.cgi?client=1&gameid=157464). 8)

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by 722caasi on Oct 17^th, 2010, 6:14pm

My hand is definitely up. However, I often don't have the steps to suicide the elephant, and my camel is usually already dead.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by omar on Oct 18^th, 2010, 10:10am

That was a close game. Nice job of keeping up the goal pressure at the end.

It's even funnier when the bot realizes it has lost and suicides it elephant.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by RonWeasley on Oct 18^th, 2010, 11:24am

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That's my hand up. If I have extra steps, I sometimes like to move the rabbit side-to-side on the goal row. That's my "end zone dance."

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by Nevermind on Oct 18^th, 2010, 1:07pm

I actually have the opposite preference. I will try to make my last move in a way that leaves me with the best looking position, i.e. if I have two ways to goal and one involves sacrificing a piece, I will select the other one. Also, the only time I will use more steps than necessary to goal, is if I can move a second rabbit also to the goal-line: "yay double goal". :)

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by Fritzlein on Oct 18^th, 2010, 1:15pm

I used to try for excesses such as a goal-line dance, multiple goals, goal-plus-sacrifice, etc. But then I started to wonder whether a human opponent would see that as "rubbing it in", so now I generally try to goal in the simplest way possible. Of course, when triumphing over silicon beasts, no amount of celebration can be too outrageous. :)

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by clojure on Oct 18^th, 2010, 2:14pm

Sure, it's fun in a casual play against bots.

But consider doing it in a serious match where your opponent has just blundered. It's tough enough for some people to lose. To show that you have surplus steps to make moves that (without the goaling) would be very bad, you are intentionally affecting the feelings of opponent, which might result into burst of laugh but also into consideration of your opponent that you don't respect him (e.g. take the game or him too lightly).

Now would you do this in a face-to-face match against person you don't know very well? With four siblings I have lots of experience to be quite nonchalant about winning to get them to play again with me... I don't risk celebrating my winning even against my good friends.

I feel obliged to say that I don't lack sense of humor. It probably would lighten up my feelings if elephant sacrifice takes me by surprise.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by megajester on Oct 18^th, 2010, 3:21pm

on 10/18/10 at 14:14:35, clojure wrote:

Sure, it's fun in a casual play against bots.

Now would you do this in a face-to-face match against person you don't know very well? ... I don't risk celebrating my winning even against my good friends.

Oh absolutely. Don't kick a man when he's down, that's what I say. I wouldn't do this to my best friend, even if I did know I could get away with it.

I just wondered if anybody here shared my sense of humour :) A bit of fun...

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by Hippo on Oct 18^th, 2010, 4:08pm

on 10/18/10 at 13:15:29, Fritzlein wrote:

I must add that when opponent resignes by sacrifying his pieces Fritz sacrifices his pieces while goaling ... (I have a confirming example :))

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by 722caasi on Oct 18^th, 2010, 4:19pm

One time I remember resigning by pushing an opposing rabbit to goal, because it was forced anyways.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by Fritzlein on Oct 18^th, 2010, 6:01pm

on 10/18/10 at 16:08:11, Hippo wrote:

I must add that when opponent resignes by sacrifying his pieces Fritz sacrifices his pieces while goaling ...

Heh, yeah, then I feel like I am just playing along with his joke.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by megajester on Jan 31^st, 2011, 6:23pm

Check it out man! It's a HAT TRICK (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=169997&s=w)!!!

Double goal + elimination = EPIC WIN!

Well, not really, especially against GnoBot2005Blitz. Just feels like it after a long dry spell :)

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by ginrunner on Feb 1^st, 2011, 12:47am

guilty. I am also guilty of doing this as a resignation too. if the game is about to end may as well make it a bit more jovial

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by omar on Feb 1^st, 2011, 9:21am

Nice win Joel. GnoBot2005Blitz is not a trivial bot to beat. You crushed it.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by megajester on Feb 7^th, 2011, 4:35pm

I forgot to say thanks Omar, you're always nice to the noobs :)...

BTW, check out my FORCED SELF-ELIMINATION (http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/opengamewin.cgi?client=1&gameid=171079&role=v&side=w)! Deliciously perverse...

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by omar on Feb 8^th, 2011, 6:51pm

I don't think I've ever seen a forced elimination before :-)

Your rating needs to be much higher.

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by ginrunner on Feb 8^th, 2011, 7:54pm

i did it once awhile back but yes, jesters rating should be alot higher

Title: Re: Goal suicide
Post by megajester on Feb 9^th, 2011, 3:59am

I'm flattered ::)

To be honest, although I manage to find time for organizing stuff, it's very rare that I feel like I can guarantee I won't be AFK for the 45-60 minutes some games can take. This is probably why. But I am playing more and more as time goes on...