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deep_blue
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2015 Move 2
« on: Jul 3rd, 2015, 10:10am » |
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We don't have a reply yet but looking at sharp's most recent games against 99of9 it seems to play a winged camel and central horse e.g 1s:
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How would our plan against such a winged camel be?
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half_integer
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #1 on: Jul 5th, 2015, 6:43pm » |
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My first reaction is to force him to keep that side commitment, typically with E to e5 in our case, while our camel is for the moment free to choose sides. The elephant stays centralized to support attack on either wing as well.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #2 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 10:47am » |
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Okay, lightvector played some sort of browni setup:
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I would play something like Ee2n Ee3n Ee4n Hb2n or similar though I am never sure what to play against such setups.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #3 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 11:08am » |
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@deep_blue
I found the e-mail notifying of Sharp's move helpful, personally.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #4 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 11:11am » |
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I propose 2g Ee2n Ee3n Ee4n Hb2n in response to silver's setup. This silver setup leaves the west weak to a horse advance, so we are getting a start on that, along with centralizing our elephant on one of its best squares. I don't see other moves as really having much advantage over this one. For example, 2g Ee2n Ee3n Ee4n Md2n prevents elephant forward four which could be played against our move, but
2g Ee2n Ee3n Ee4n Hb2n
2s ed7s ed6s ed5s ed4s
3g Hb3n Hb4n Hb5n Ee5n
seems to already leave silver at a disadvantage, so that line doesn't matter. Also, after Md2n elephant forward three would try to make our camel commit to one wing, which it may not want to do yet.
2g Hb2n Ee2n Ee3n Hg2n would also be an appealing option, but I feel the g-horse may be advanced prematurely. Our camel may want to land on that square. Putting our elephant forward center is more immediately useful.
We could look at my games as silver here. I have been in this position several times on the other side. My ongoing postal against Boo is an example of what I consider an inaccurate 2g. Just please don't discuss the specifics of that game near the current position.
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deep_blue
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #5 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 11:25am » |
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on Jul 10th, 2015, 11:11am, browni3141 wrote:| I propose 2g Ee2n Ee3n Ee4n Hb2n in response to silver's setup. |
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Always nice to have browni agreeing with me. 
Since we have capped reserve i.e. fast moving won't gain any reserve should we also discuss our followups before moving even if there was a clear consensus on the move?
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #6 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 11:49am » |
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I agree with that move, although I wouldn't mind anything reasonable-looking. Our logical midterm plan is to attack in the west with a Horse indeed, but sharp is very good at temporarily threatening captures on c6 with the Elephant while the camel dances up and down the g-file, so we'll need to be precise with our piece advances later on.
And the xs email is very helpful indeed deep, thanks!
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #7 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 11:51am » |
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on Jul 5th, 2015, 6:43pm, half_integer wrote:| My first reaction is to force him to keep that side commitment |
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I don't think sharp's camel is going to recentralize. If it does, we've gained a lot of time, except in the rare cases when it forces a Horse to move backwards awkwardly.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #8 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 11:52am » |
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I think there's little question about the first three steps Hb3n Ee2n Ee3n. We want to centralise the Elephant and threaten a Horse advance in the west.
Ee5 with the fourth step puts the E closer to the m, which is good strategically, and somewhat threatens the e8 rabbit.
Advancing the horse twice looks nice too. The threat is Ha6 on the next turn. If Silver advances a8 and a7 to prevent it, we have targets in the west and he needs to attack quickly on the other wing. He certainly doesn't want to bring his camel west.
Suggestion: 2g Ee2n Ee3n Hb2n Hb3n
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #9 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 12:47pm » |
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Indeed Ee2n Ee3n Ee4n Hb2n is clearly our best choice here.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #10 on: Jul 10th, 2015, 3:26pm » |
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I don't think the capped reserve is a reason to wait to play. Can we have a quick poll perhaps on whether to play the move or keep discussing?
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #11 on: Jul 11th, 2015, 5:48am » |
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on Jul 10th, 2015, 11:08am, Samraku wrote:@deep_blue
I found the e-mail notifying of Sharp's move helpful, personally. |
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on Jul 10th, 2015, 3:26pm, SilverMitt wrote:| I don't think the capped reserve is a reason to wait to play. Can we have a quick poll perhaps on whether to play the move or keep discussing? |
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+1. So the Poll would be between the 3 options we have so far (deep_blue's suggestion, harvestsnow's suggestion, keep discussion going)?
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deep_blue
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #12 on: Jul 11th, 2015, 6:29am » |
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Lightvector moved only a day ago. I would like to give people at least one more day to read this before starting the vote. I will then start the vote some time tomorrow.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #13 on: Jul 11th, 2015, 10:53pm » |
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I feel like here, rather than in the move polls, is almost exclusively the correct place for decisions to be made about how long to delay voting. A vote against quick moving needs to be here, in the form 'I want to hear more about X' in order to help us, rather than an anonymous and amorphous vote through CIVS.
The majority voice vote threshold is currently at least 11 (/20), btw.
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Re: 2015 Move 2
« Reply #14 on: Jul 12th, 2015, 7:00am » |
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I've thought about the two proposals for a while and personally concluded that the two moves will almost certainly transpose if we quickly attack c6, but that temporarily having our elephant only on the fourth rank is convenient if we need to play any defensive moves in the meantime.
We could also consider taking the idea further by playing 3 horse steps and only one elephant step, but I get an awkward feeling from nnn and we might find a west step unnecessary later while I doubt we will regret elephant north from the third rank.
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