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New Bot caretaker have questions...
« on: Apr 15th, 2006, 5:16pm » |
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Hi,
I've got my Bot up and working (though playing extremely stupid), and have a couple of questions:
a/ Is there a way for my bot to display information while thinking, without the perl-script interpreting it as a move? E.g., I would like to display depth, nodes/second, PV, evaluation, etc. - would make it a lot easier to try to debug or improve things.
b/ Is there a way for my bot to play against the bots in the botladder, starting at the bottom? Otherwise, there usually does not seem to be a weak bot logged in, as far as I've seen.
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #1 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 5:41pm » |
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I’m not sure if there is a more efficient way, but you can start most bots by clicking on the Arimaa Bots link on the right of the Gameroom, then the Bots Available to Play link at the top of that page. Pick out the bot you want, and click on its Play link. Finally, pick the color you want it to play, and click the Start Bot button. The bot will then show up in the Gameroom with a game for your bot to join.
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #2 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 5:58pm » |
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For question a)
Clueless writes a bunch of info to a log file while it is searching. I look at the file with a text editor. This also makes it easier to recreate situations that occurred in a game. Anything written to stdout is digested by the perl script.
For question b)
Ryan's method is the only way I know. I would recommend starting against shallowblue and then trying arimaazilla. They both move within a few seconds, so the games don't take too long.
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #3 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 6:03pm » |
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on Apr 15th, 2006, 5:58pm, jdb wrote:For question a)
Clueless writes a bunch of info to a log file while it is searching. I look at the file with a text editor. This also makes it easier to recreate situations that occurred in a game. Anything written to stdout is digested by the perl script.
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There is no way around this? I would really like to be able to see what my bot is thinking, live, while it is playing a game...
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #4 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 6:04pm » |
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Oh, and thanks to Ryan for telling me how to start a bot - ShallowBlue is a bit less intimidating than Arimaanator.
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #5 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 6:08pm » |
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on Apr 15th, 2006, 6:03pm, unic wrote:
There is no way around this? I would really like to be able to see what my bot is thinking, live, while it is playing a game... |
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I use two methods to get around this.
1) write messages to stderr - they will be dispersed throughout the stdout output, so you will see them live
2) write messages to a log file, and in a separate window, tail -f that log file.
Admittedly this 2nd is a linux command, so windows may not have an equivalent. But if you're a true blue windows programmer, you can probably make a new "window" come up with your output  .
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #6 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 7:20pm » |
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on Apr 15th, 2006, 6:08pm, 99of9 wrote:
1) write messages to stderr - they will be dispersed throughout the stdout output, so you will see them live
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How ugly! But it works :) I expect I shall be using this a lot.
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2) write messages to a log file, and in a separate window, tail -f that log file.
Admittedly this 2nd is a linux command, so windows may not have an equivalent. But if you're a true blue windows programmer, you can probably make a new "window" come up with your output ;-). |
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I'm afraid I'm not a true windows programmer - most of my programs are compiled as console applications ;)
... either way, seeing some output from my program, it's plain I have a major bug somewhere... (where it played the first step according to the search, but for the remaining steps just played the first move generated) but I feel less that I am fumbling in the dark trying to find out now, with the possibility of seeing some output.
It is way late here though, so trying to fix it will have to wait until tomorrow...
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #7 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 7:29pm » |
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Oh, and while using stderr works...
I hereby petition for some capable Perl hacker (which rules me out - I know nothing about Perl) to extend the bot perl-script so that it treats any line beginning with a certain character (perhaps #) as a comment, and ignores it...
Not sure how complicated that would be in Perl - but seems to me it shouldn't be too difficult to add. And it would solve the whole issue of not being able to write data to stdout without the Perl-script trying to interpret it as a move.
Good night.
Tomorrow's goal: have Fairy actually trying to win (or at least capture/defend material) instead of just shuffling rabbits left and right.
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #8 on: Apr 16th, 2006, 1:00am » |
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Quote:| There is no way around this? I would really like to be able to see what my bot is thinking, live, while it is playing a game... |
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A decent text editor, like TextPad, (free via google) will automatically reload the log file in real time.
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #9 on: Apr 16th, 2006, 5:17am » |
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on Apr 15th, 2006, 7:29pm, unic wrote:
Tomorrow's goal: have Fairy actually trying to win (or at least capture/defend material) instead of just shuffling rabbits left and right. |
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Mission accomplished - now that I could actually get output and get on with debugging, a few large bugs were easily found, and in today's first game, Fairy beat ShallowBlue :)
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Re: New Bot caretaker have questions...
« Reply #10 on: Apr 29th, 2006, 5:53pm » |
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Fairy is progressing well - working mainly on improving search speed right now. Have too many ideas for evaluation, so I'm afraid that once I start seriously looking at that, I won't get around to working on search... so want to get a reasonable search speed first.
Random output from Fairy searching the start position:
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Searching position:
Move 2, Step 0, Gold at move.
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8| r r r r r r r r |
7| h c d e m d c h |
6| . . - . . - . . |
5| . . . . . . . . |
4| . . . . . . . . |
3| . . - . . - . . |
2| H D C M E C D H |
1| R R R R R R R R |
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a b c d e f g h
Hashkey: 798B31C67F57B17B
Remaining time: 115.00
Allocated time: 46.00
Depth Value Nodes Evals Time PV
5........ 50 2 1 0.00 Ha2n
5........ 250 3 2 0.00 Db2n
5........ 400 5 4 0.00 Md2n
5........ 850 6 5 0.00 Ee2n
=== 5/ 1.0/ 1 850 9 8 0.00 Ee2n
10........ 850 2 1 0.00 Ee2n
=== 10/ 1.0/ 1 850 9 8 0.00 Ee2n
15........ 1060 17 15 0.00 Ee2n Md2n
=== 15/ 2.1/ 4 1060 95 88 0.00 Ee2n Md2n
20........ 1060 17 15 0.00 Ee2n Md2n
=== 20/ 2.1/ 4 1060 117 108 0.00 Ee2n Md2n
25........ 950 219 204 0.01 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e
=== 25/ 3.0/ 4 950 1211 1130 0.01 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e
30........ 950 236 220 0.01 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e
=== 30/ 3.1/ 4 950 1593 1486 0.03 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e
35........ 910 3254 3066 0.08 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n
=== 35/ 4.0/ 4 910 17619 16588 0.27 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n
40........ 910 3809 3575 0.30 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n
=== 40/ 4.0/ 5 910 24584 23053 0.45 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n
45........ 260 6641 3584 0.48 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n ed7s
=== 45/ 4.6/ 5 260 39532 23065 0.77 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n ed7s
50........ 260 7374 3593 0.80 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n ed7s
=== 50/ 5.0/ 8 260 47909 23776 1.00 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n ed7s
55........ 50 10297 3687 1.03 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n ed7s me7s
=== 55/ 5.6/ 8 50 63008 23928 1.22 Ee2n Ha2n Ha3e Md2n ed7s me7s
60........ 110 12284 4843 1.25 Ee2n Md2n (pass) ed7s cg7s hh7s
=== 60/ 6.0/ 8 110 73212 25265 1.42 Ee2n Md2n (pass) ed7s cg7s hh7s
65........ 160 16779 6405 1.48 Ee2n Md2n Ha2n Ha3e ed7s cg7s hh7s
=== 65/ 6.6/ 8 160 89533 26610 1.66 Ee2n Md2n Ha2n Ha3e ed7s cg7s hh7s
70........ 160 16130 5096 1.72 Ee2n Md2n Ha2n Ha3e ed7s cg7s hh7s
=== 70/ 7.0/ 8 160 97278 25661 1.92 Ee2n Md2n Ha2n Ha3e ed7s cg7s hh7s
75........ 200 35529 20728 2.13 Ee2n Md2n Ha2n Ha3e ed7s cg7s hh7s me7s
=== 75/ 7.7/ 8 200 128772 41327 2.33 Ee2n Md2n Ha2n Ha3e ed7s cg7s hh7s me7s
80........ 150 88626 70804 2.88 Ee2n Md2n Dg2n Hh2n ed7s me7s (pass) Ee3n
=== 80/ 8.7/10 150 327815 233125 4.23 Ee2n Md2n Dg2n Hh2n ed7s me7s (pass) Ee3n
85........ 140 154343 102091 5.28 Ee2n Md2n Dg2n Re1n ed7s me7s ha7s ha6e Cf2n
=== 85/ 8.9/12 140 473374 327407 7.17 Ee2n Md2n Dg2n Re1n ed7s me7s ha7s ha6e Cf2n
90........ 100 274202 199214 8.77 Ee2n Md2n Dg2n Ee3n ed7s me7s ha7s ha6e Hh2n
=== 90/ 9.5/12 100 1019664 827965 13.75 Ee2n Md2n Dg2n Ee3n ed7s me7s ha7s ha6e Hh2n
95........ 90 1537540 1354628 24.45 Ee2n Md2n Ee3n Ee4n ed7s me7s me6e mf6e Dg2n Ee5w
~~~ 95/10.1/12 90 4420000 4033753 46.05 Ee2n Md2n Ee3n Ee4n ed7s me7s me6e mf6e Dg2n Ee5w |
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