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Janzert
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Game branching factor graphs
« on: Mar 30th, 2006, 2:29am » |
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I've spent the last little while making a little online app that gives a graph of the branching factor for individual games. It also provides a few other related statistics for the game. This is now online at http://arimaa.janzert.com/gamegraphs/.
There are probably still a few bugs in it, so let me know if something doesn't seem to work.
btw, my other arimaa things (fame calculator, bf study) have moved over to arimaa.janzert.com as well. The old links have redirects that should be there for the foreseeable future so they should continue working fine.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #1 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 4:24am » |
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Interesting tool. I tried it on a couple of my old games. The result came as a bit of a supprise to me. In games were I thought I had a clear mobility advantage I sometimes didn't. Hence there most be a big difference between what kind of moves I consider and the actual available number of moves.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #2 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 2:25pm » |
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Hey that's really cool, Brian. Thanks for making it available. I have linked it on the Arimaa >> Games page. I also updated the link on the Downloads page use the new URL.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #3 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 8:13pm » |
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I think there is a bug in your calculation of geometric mean. It is often, though not always, identical for silver and gold.
It would be nice if you added links to the games on the Arimaa.com server such as:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/comments.cgi?gid=26741
Also that particular game shows the limited predictive power of available move advantage. Neither side lost any pieces, and from move 13 to the end, Adanac had 3 to 4 fold more available moves, yet I was clearly winning and won the game on move 19.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #4 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 8:39pm » |
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Thanks for adding the geometric mean, Janzert. I agree with Ryan, however, that something is fishy. I looked at a sample of one game (namely game 10000), and although the numbers are different for Silver and Gold, it seems that the wrong one is larger. Maybe I'm just no good at visually calculating a multiplicative average. 
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #5 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 10:19pm » |
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Oops, I should know to recheck stuff that I finish at 3am. Fixed two bugs, one major and one minor, and double checked a couple games on the spreadsheet. Silver means were completely wrong. Should all be working correctly now.
I also added a link to get the raw move numbers, so you can throw them in a spreadsheet and play with them yourself as well.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #6 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 3:28pm » |
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Game 25959 seems to have a graph that is not only very crowded, but also has some extraneous lines on it.
Games 6956 and 13011 provide an argument for using a logarithmic scale for the moves axis. In the latter game Belbo's 117,059 possible moves on 66w dwarf the rest of the graph, so that changes in Paul's endgame mobility are barely visible.
Game 19278 is, I believe, still the longest serious HvB game. Adanac managed to find a difficult theoretical win over the board in a blitz game! But anyway the endgame with only a couple of pieces left is impossible to read on a linear scale.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #7 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 4:04pm » |
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I was going to ask if there is a "view game" link, where I could put the game ID in and it would open the game (since the game references above aren't linked) ... but then it dawned on me that all I need to do is go to:
http://www.arimaa.com/arimaa/gameroom/replayFlash.cgi?gid=19278&s=b& amp;client=1
Sorry for being a slow learner, and figuring out what is obvious to the rest of you.
There may even already be a "view game" link, and if so, then that's something else I've missed!
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #8 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 4:49pm » |
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on Mar 31st, 2006, 4:04pm, Swynndla wrote:| There may even already be a "view game" link, and if so, then that's something else I've missed! |
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Select Games from the lefthand navigation frame, there will be a view game and plan game link. Either one can be used to enter a game number to view a game.
I personally like using the plan game link better, because it will open the game in a new window instead of resizing the current window. But only the view game will show you who won and lost the game.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #9 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 5:04pm » |
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on Mar 31st, 2006, 3:28pm, Fritzlein wrote:| Game 25959 seems to have a graph that is not only very crowded, but also has some extraneous lines on it. |
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I agree, trying to graph a 600 move game with a 640x480 image doesn't work terribly well.  I'm not positive I understand what you mean by extraneous lines though. I'm assuming you mean the turns for Gold (P1) that went over ~17000 possible moves. I double checked peaks at 140w, 277w, 278w and 346w with the official move generator and they all matched the number displayed in the graph. They just happen to be positions that have more options than the others.
Quote:Games 6956 and 13011 provide an argument for using a logarithmic scale for the moves axis. In the latter game Belbo's 117,059 possible moves on 66w dwarf the rest of the graph, so that changes in Paul's endgame mobility are barely visible.
Game 19278 is, I believe, still the longest serious HvB game. Adanac managed to find a difficult theoretical win over the board in a blitz game! But anyway the endgame with only a couple of pieces left is impossible to read on a linear scale. |
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I'm hoping to add an option to switch between a log and linear view. But I'm going to be out of town on a business trip for most of next week so I may not get it done for a couple weeks.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #10 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 5:11pm » |
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on Mar 31st, 2006, 5:04pm, Janzert wrote:| I agree, trying to graph a 600 move game with a 640x480 image doesn't work terribly well. I'm not positive I understand what you mean by extraneous lines though. |
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On my graph there are four lines, two green and two red, which are more horizontal than vertical. They seem to connect a point near (550, 17000) with points near (170, 12000), (170, 17000), (170, 18000), and (170, 20000) respectively. Maybe they don't appear on your screen?
Thanks for considering the log option for the moves axis.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #11 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 5:47pm » |
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Hmm, no I don't think I'm seeing that. Do they show in any/all of these versions png, gif or bmp? The png should be the same as the dynamic page the others were converted from the original in gimp.
Also what browser do you use and can you tell if it might be resizing the image to fit on your screen?
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Oops, nevermind. I just took a look at the online version and I see the extra lines. I'm guessing it's a gnuplot bug in the version that I have on the server. I'll see what I can do with it.
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #12 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 6:53pm » |
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Ok, nevermind again.  It was a bug in my code. Should be working correctly now.
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Re: Game branching factor graphsG
« Reply #13 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 8:01pm » |
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on Mar 31st, 2006, 4:49pm, Janzert wrote:| Select Games from the lefthand navigation frame, there will be a view game and plan game link. Either one can be used to enter a game number to view a game. |
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Call me slow (go on) but I don't see a "Games" link on the left side of anywhere ... from the gameroom I have such things as:
Start Game
Invite Friend
Practice Games
Live Games
etc etc
... but no "Games"?
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Re: Game branching factor graphs
« Reply #14 on: Mar 31st, 2006, 8:44pm » |
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He means the left frame of the main page (to the left of this forum).
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