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Move 44
« on: Oct 17th, 2008, 12:21pm »
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chessandgo responds rapidly with the anticipated
 
44g Ef4w re3w Ee4s Rf1n
 
The next move in my line was
 
44s dg3s dg2e Rf2e rf5s
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #1 on: Oct 17th, 2008, 1:30pm »
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It looks good to me. Let's wrap this one up.
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #2 on: Oct 17th, 2008, 9:01pm »
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on Oct 17th, 2008, 12:21pm, RonWeasley wrote:
chessandgo responds rapidly with the anticipated
 
44g Ef4w re3w Ee4s Rf1n
 
The next move in my line was
 
44s dg3s dg2e Rf2e rf5s

After RW's
 
44b dg3s dg2e Rf2e rf5s
45w Rc2e Rd2e Re2e Ra5n
45b Hg5w eg4n Hf5n Hf6x eg5w
 
Bomb found goal in 20 for C&G:
 
46w Db6n Db7w Da7e ra8s
46b ce5w cd5w cc5n cc6w
47w Rd4n Rd5n Rd6n Rb1n
 
It's not hard to defend against that, but I don't have a particular way in mind yet.
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #3 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 3:57am »
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At 12 ply, Gnobot suggests
rf5s ce5w Hg5w eg4n
 
[edit: this is the result at every depth between 10 and 16]
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #4 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 4:42am »
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44s rf5s dg3w df3e Rf2n? Gold E gets pinned and can't kill our d3 rabbit without giving up his one of his own. And then maybe we can activate our h4 rabbit...
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #5 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 5:12am »
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This position is very sharp. Gold is 5 steps from making an unstoppable goal threat on the a file. If gold manages to firm up the defence just a little bit, there will be enough time to execute the threat.  
 
44s rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #6 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 6:59am »
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on Oct 18th, 2008, 5:12am, jdb wrote:
This position is very sharp. Gold is 5 steps from making an unstoppable goal threat on the a file. If gold manages to firm up the defence just a little bit, there will be enough time to execute the threat.  
 
44s rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s

It seems we get a goal on 46s (our elephant abandons the horse and moves south) unless his 45g includes moving his b1 rabbit east three times. With the south-west depleted of defending rabbits the threat of our b5 rabbit seems to keep his north-west threat in check. Then we can capture his horse for a rabbit. I tentatively support  
44s rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #7 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 10:42am »
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on Oct 18th, 2008, 6:59am, warren wrote:

It seems we get a goal on 46s (our elephant abandons the horse and moves south) unless his 45g includes moving his b1 rabbit east three times. With the south-west depleted of defending rabbits the threat of our b5 rabbit seems to keep his north-west threat in check. Then we can capture his horse for a rabbit. I tentatively support  
44s rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s

 
 
44s rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s  
  45g Ee3e rh3n Cg3e Ef3w
  . 45s dg2n Rf2e rf4s rf3s (goal is unstoppable)
  45g Ee3e Ef3w rf4s rf3x ra5n
  . 45s eg4e rh3s eh4s (goal is unstoppable)
  45g Rc2e Rd2e rd3w rc3x Ee3w
  . 45s eg4e rh3s eh4s (goal is unstoppable)
  45g Rb1e Rc1e Rd1e Ra5n
  . 45s Cg3w eg4s Rf2w dg2w
  . . 46g Hg5e Hh5s Hh4n rh3n
  . . 46s eg3n rh4s rh3s eg4s (goal is unstoppable)
  45g Rb1e Rc1e Rd1e Re1e
  . 45s Cg3w eg4s Rf2w dg2w
  . . 46g Hg5e Hh5s Hh4n rh3n
  . . . 46s eg3n 4h4s rh3s eg4s (goal is unstoppable)
  . . 46g Re2w Ee3s Cf3x Ee2s Rf1e  
  . . . 46s df2e Rg1w dg2s rh3s (goal is unstoppable)
  45g Ee3e Rf2w Ef3s Rc2e
  . 45s Cg3w eg4s rh3s ce5w
  . . 46g Cf3w dg2s Ef2e Re2e
  . . . 46s eg3w Ce2n ef3w cd5w (this results in a tricky position)
  . . . . 47g Ce4n Rd4w Rf2w Hg5w
  . . . . . 47s Rc4s Rc3x cc5s rd3w rc3s (goal is unstoppable)
 
What defense does Bomb propose for c&g after this 44s? Is this position a goal in 5 for us?
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #8 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 11:09am »
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What defense does Bomb propose for c&g after this 44s? Is this position a goal in 4 for us?

45g rd3w rc3x Ee3w Ed3e Rh1n - if Gold plays that, Bomb announces our victory in 12 steps.  
 
45g Ee3e Rf2w Ef3s Rc2e - see above, but in 20 steps.
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #9 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 11:15am »
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Just to have the choices open, how about this move.
 
44s rf5s ce5w cd5w cc5s
 
gold has to spend 4 steps for defense, then we can have RonWeasley's move.
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eRe: Move 44
« Reply #10 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 11:18am »
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I'm not sure about 45g Ee3e rh3n Cg3e Ef3w - it may be a bit tougher to nut to crack; gonna check it soon. Though I would not be uncorking the champagne now, JDB's proposal looks surprisingly strong to me.
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #11 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 11:19am »
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After  
 
44b rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s
45w Rb1e Rc1e Rd1e Ra5n
45b Cg3w eg4s Rf2w dg2w
 
Bomb says we win in 16.
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Re:  eRe: Move 44
« Reply #12 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 11:27am »
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on Oct 18th, 2008, 11:18am, Soter wrote:
I'm not sure about 45g Ee3e rh3n Cg3e Ef3w - it may be a bit tougher to nut to crack; gonna check it soon. Though I would not be uncorking the champagne now, JDB's proposal looks surprisingly strong to me.

 
See my tree. I think that move is a goal in two for us.
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #13 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 12:08pm »
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oops.. I didn't see jdb's move, that looks strongest.
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Re: Move 44
« Reply #14 on: Oct 18th, 2008, 1:36pm »
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After
44b rf5s dg3s Ch3w rh4s
45w Ee3e Rf2w Ef3s Rc2e
 
Bomb declares we win in 20. It continues:
 
45b Cg3w eg4s rh3s rd3e
46w Ef2s Cf3x Hg5e Hh5s Hh4s
46b Hh3n eg3e rf4s dg2n
 
Update: it currently seems that jdb's move makes us win in 4 moves, i.e. during move 47s.
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