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Re: 2015 Move 11g
« Reply #15 on: Dec 12th, 2015, 8:51pm »
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For 1.2, I actually think the frame is pretty strong, as I don't believe silver can try to break it with the attack in the west.  But with the silver camel going west, our a6 horse remains vulnerable; we would probably want to avoid a horse trade.
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Re: 2015 Move 11g
« Reply #16 on: Dec 13th, 2015, 4:46am »
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I have trouble deciding between the two moves.
 
I agree with SilverMitt that 1.2 isn't concerning. Nor do I think 1.1 is.
 
I like gold after
 
11g Ef4e Eg4w hg3n Hf3e
11s mf5w Rg5w rg6s hg4e
12g Mb5e hb6s Ef4w Ee4w
 
I struggle to come up with a clearly best reply for silver against either 11g.
 
 
11g Mb5e hb6s hb5s Mc5w
11s mf5w Rg5w rg6s rh6s is the most testing that I can see.
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Re: 2015 Move 11g
« Reply #17 on: Dec 13th, 2015, 3:45pm »
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Deep says we're about to move, so I'll just comment that I agree with both the last two posts.  The frame in 1.2 does appear stronger on second look; it is true that although the camel can break it, we can do damage in the west before he does so.  If he doesn't abandon the frame the best silver can do is both elephant and camel deadlock.
 
Given that analysis, I actually think 1.1 will be the response move.  Browni's response is a good addition to the move tree.  It seems to me that if that line gets played, there is a good chance that silver will return to attacking the f3 trap on 12s.
 
This is an interesting point in the game.  It seems like we're near the point where either we lose a rabbit for little compensation, making the game more difficult going forward; or we show that sharp-lv failed to look far enough ahead strategically and we gain more compensation than the rabbit that he threatens.
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Re: 2015 Move 11g
« Reply #18 on: Dec 13th, 2015, 9:06pm »
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I'll just use this thread to continue the analysis post-move 11g.  Here are some silver responses and potential replies.
 
 1  :Hg4 Hg3
 - 1.1  Me5:R Rg5 Hh4 (silver elephant is now free to leave f3)  
 - - 1.1.1 Mc5:H Ed4 (browni's suggestion)
 - - - 1.1.1.1 Mf3 (Rh5) (just a sample to restart the f3 fight)
 - - - 1.1.1.2 Me6 Ed5 (probably not a very good move)
 - - 1.1.2 ::Hb4
 - 1.2  Me5:R De6:Rx (horse frame for rabbit loss)  
 - - 1.2.1 ::Hf3
 - - - 1.2.1.1 Mg5 (De5 or Cf6) Rh5 (prepare to break the frame)
 - - - - 1.2.1.1.1 Mc4::H
 - - - - - 1.2.1.1.1.1 Xb5 Ha4
 - - - 1.2.1.2 Mc5 X X (deadlock c6 or M+D attack c3)
 - 1.3 Me4:R Dd5 (diamond defense to prevent frame)
 - - 1.3.1 ::Hb4
 - - - 1.3.2 Md3/c4 De4
 - - - - 1.3.2.1 Ed4:De5 Rcd1 (OK maybe this refutes the line for silver)
 - 1.4 Me4 Df5 (Cf6) (another diamond defense variant)
 - 1.5 Me4:R Rg5 (diamond defense with some goal attack)
 - - 1.5.1 ::Hb4
 - - - 1.5.1.1 Rh3 Md4 (at least one step needed for goal defense)
 - - 1.5.2 Re5 Mc5:H Hb6 (maybe Rh1 is better 4th step)
 - - - 1.5.2.1 Rh3 Df5 (goal threat with diamond re-established)
 - - - 1.5.2.2 De5:Rf5 Rh5 (maintain control of rabbit, re-establish diamond, and maneuver into goal attack)
 
 Of course these are more speculative the deeper they go and I wrote them out quickly.  I hope they are easier to read this time; I track the side to move by noting whether the indent is an even or odd amount but the move numbers could be added.
 
Any other good silver 11s moves?
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Re: 2015 Move 11g
« Reply #19 on: Dec 14th, 2015, 3:08pm »
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An interesting 11s might be something that includes Ee4.D.
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Re: 2015 Move 11g
« Reply #20 on: Dec 14th, 2015, 9:10pm »
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Ah, the Ec4:D is a nice addition to the possible moves which prevent the frame.  Perhaps Ec4:D Me5 Df5 with the idea that the camel can deadlock in the west as long as the elephants are kept deadlocked.  However, I don't see it holding long term (see below).
 
I see that 12g Mc5:H Hb6 Rcd1 can refute putting the silver camel on e4, as 13g E::Md3 then becomes indefensible for silver.  A goal threat on the h-file could slow it down but gold will get enough steps at some point.  Retreating the horse seems like the only option, since putting the silver elephant on e4 with a pull to e3 won't hold long term; the e3 piece can be retreated and become a 3-for-1.  Does anyone see other possibilities for holding a diamond defense?
 
If 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5 are refuted for silver, that leaves 1.1 as the most likely move IMO.
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