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RonWeasley
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Sometime Friday, 35s dc4e Rc5s dd5w he4s
I was looking at 36g Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s. This gives the immediate threat against the d4 dog and the strategics threat of 37g rh4w Dh5s dh4n Rh3n. But I don't have an answer to 36s he3s Rf2s he2e rg6s.
So I'm leaning to a safer 36g Ed6s Ed5e Ee5s Rh1n.
We should plan on voting Thursday so we can move Friday.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #1 on: May 10th, 2010, 12:01pm » |
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Using 3 steps to put the elephant on e4 is probably best. The question is what is the best use of the other step?
Moving the cat on c2 north works nicely. It is immune from capture and Fritz will spend a week trying to figure out how to capture it.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #2 on: May 10th, 2010, 12:29pm » |
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I like the look of Ca3e for the final step, and agree E should come to e4
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #3 on: May 10th, 2010, 2:26pm » |
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I was considering the last step cc2->c3 to be a joke at first, but it prevents the c5 dog comming to c4. So the dog cannot prevent capturing at c3. Unfortunately the cat itself prevents that (unless silver moves to d3 or pulls the c4 rabbit).
Seems 36s hf2 attacking Hg3 and goaling in east would be such big threat that any dog/cat capture threat at c6 or c3 trap would be pointless. So I agree Ee4 looks good.
My instincts for silvers reply are eg3 Hf3 xxx with potential threat of rh4 advance. This makes Rh1n step valuable.
So 37g (with Rh3) could be he2 Ee3 He4 with nice position.
I could not see good reply of silver to 36g Ee4 Rh3.
... advancing e to f2 seems dangerous due to h file counter threats.
Letting Rf2 without moving Hf3 allows capturing at c3.
May be 36s dc5-c4 Rc4-c3 xxx xxx (Ra7-c7) swarming the c3 trap?
37g Db6?
So unless there are new bright ideas +1 to 36g Ee4 Rh2.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #4 on: May 10th, 2010, 8:41pm » |
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I don't think Ron's first idea was all bad...with
36g Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s
36s he3s Rf2s he2e rg6s
What about
37g Rd2n Cc2e Rd3e Ca3e
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37g Ca3eeee
I assume Hippo is currently for 36g Ed6s Ed5e Ee5s Rh1n (Rh2 not Rh3). This looks "safe" as well, my only misgivings about this move are that it seems the two silver dogs can make captures at c3 impossible, and then what route forward do we have? But probably there is time to eventually go up the h file with our g7 dog coming back to move that silver rabbit out of the way. And I guess you could say we wasted some steps on our previous moves, except we hopefully have forced Fritz to push our rabbit to c3 instead of capturing it at c6!
Not sure if this is too daring... following through on the c6 attack...
36g cb5w Db4n rb6w Db5n
seems to work for me. But maybe I am too optimistic. It seems to force a silver dog to guard c6, allowing us to capture at c3 after our E comes back south.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #5 on: May 11th, 2010, 2:23am » |
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Rh1n looks good, but Rd2e is another way to add protection on the right flank. It has the advantage of placing an extra piece on that side of the board.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #6 on: May 11th, 2010, 3:23am » |
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With 36g Ed6s Ed5e Ee5s +1step
Is the expectation to hostage the h on e2? If so, Rd2e slows this down.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #7 on: May 11th, 2010, 5:55am » |
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on May 10th, 2010, 8:41pm, Nombril wrote:I don't think Ron's first idea was all bad...with
36g Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s
36s he3s Rf2s he2e rg6s
What about
37g Rd2n Cc2e Rd3e Ca3e
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37g Ca3eeee
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As gold I don't like possitions with opponent's horse on f2 dog on e3 and phant nearby (what could be after 37s).
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #8 on: May 11th, 2010, 5:58am » |
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on May 10th, 2010, 8:41pm, Nombril wrote:I don't think Ron's first idea was all bad...with
36g Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s
36s he3s Rf2s he2e rg6s
What about
37g Rd2n Cc2e Rd3e Ca3e
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37g Ca3eeee
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Thank you for the responses. I like that 36g now.
In response to the dog push to b6, I worry about silver horse to f2. I think silver wins the goal race.
After 36g E->e4 and then Cc2n, We need to spend a step on 37g to protect the cat, so I like Rh1n instead. Ca3e is OK, but I was hoping to pull the rabbit with it.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #9 on: May 11th, 2010, 6:03am » |
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on May 10th, 2010, 8:41pm, Nombril wrote:
36g cb5w Db4n rb6w Db5n
seems to work for me. But maybe I am too optimistic. It seems to force a silver dog to guard c6, allowing us to capture at c3 after our E comes back south. |
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What after 36s ra4b3 Rc4b4 dc5c4?
Seems to me silver goal attacks on both wings while gold has forces out of the battle. May be I am over pessimistic, but it seems to me it would be difficult situation for us.
So I remain on 36g Ee4 Rh2 so far.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #10 on: May 11th, 2010, 6:13am » |
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on May 11th, 2010, 5:55am, Hippo wrote:
As gold I don't like possitions with opponent's horse on f2 dog on e3 and phant nearby (what could be after 37s). |
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On the following move gold plays 38g rh4w Dh5s Dh4n Rh3n. I think the silver e needs to come back and defend this or else lose. That lets the gold E mop up.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #11 on: May 11th, 2010, 10:54am » |
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on May 11th, 2010, 6:13am, RonWeasley wrote:
On the following move gold plays 38g rh4w Dh5s Dh4n Rh3n. I think the silver e needs to come back and defend this or else lose. That lets the gold E mop up. |
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39s ef4 Hf3x with g goal threat faster than h goal threat
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #12 on: May 11th, 2010, 11:34am » |
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on May 11th, 2010, 6:03am, Hippo wrote:What after 36s ra4b3 Rc4b4 dc5c4?
Seems to me silver goal attacks on both wings while gold has forces out of the battle. May be I am over pessimistic, but it seems to me it would be difficult situation for us. |
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36g cb5w Db4n rb6w Db5n
36s ra4b3 Rc4b4 dc5c4
37g rb3e Ca3e Rb4ne
I agree that with your concerns! But the reason I like this is that we are the only side in control of a trap and threatening captures. And I don't expect to win a goal race here. I expect sometime soon to make the move E to e4, but first we have positioned a dog at b6 while we have the time. I think having our dog at b6 prevents silver from having both dogs around c3.
(With h to f2, we would bring E to e3.)
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For the Ron and Hippo discussion, I think this is a summary:
36g Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s
36s he3s Rf2s he2e rg6s
37g Ca3eeee
37s ef4w dd4s Ce3s dd3e
I think a better move for us has us in a good position:
38g Ed5ss de3e Ed3e
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I think we are still winning with any of these 3 moves.
A: Ed6s Ed5e Ee5s Rh1n
B: Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s
C: cb5w Db4n rb6w Db5n
Is there agreement on the +1 step for A being Rh1n? Did anyone (or anybot) have additional 36g suggestions?
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #13 on: May 11th, 2010, 11:47am » |
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on May 11th, 2010, 10:54am, Hippo wrote:
39s ef4 Hf3x with g goal threat faster than h goal threat |
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Oops. Yes, you are right.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #14 on: May 11th, 2010, 12:46pm » |
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on May 11th, 2010, 11:34am, Nombril wrote:
36g Ed6s Dg7e Dh7s Dh6s
36s he3s Rf2s he2e rg6s
37g Ca3eeee
37s ef4w dd4s Ce3s dd3e
I think a better move for us has us in a good position:
38g Ed5ss de3e Ed3e
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I agree after that 38g this does not look as bad as I expected, but it seemed to me we would lost f3 trap controll. (38s dg4 rf4? or rather ef5 df4?)
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