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Adanac
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #15 on: Mar 4th, 2009, 5:10pm » |
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Instead of worrying about Fritzlein's attack in the west, maybe we should be thinking about attacking HIM in the west?
After all, we do have a camel that can dream about reaching b4 and freezing the silver horses to b5 and c4.
7g Rh2n Rh3n Hg4s Ra2n
7s (rabbit pull in the east)
8g Mc2n Rc1n Ra3n Dd1n
and now we're ready to get our camel to b4, pulling the silver horse to c4. Our rabbit on a4 gives our camel mobility if the elephant crosses over to b3.
A bigger threat might be an e+m+h attack at f3. But luckily, we'll have enough time to get our elephant down there and our camel will become stronger in the west.
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #16 on: Mar 4th, 2009, 7:03pm » |
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Thanks chessandgo, now I think the only reason I was thinking that that 8g move was any good was that I was somehow completely blind to the fact that the silver elephant could move from one of our traps to the other.
Adanac's new move is intriguing. What happens if Fritzlein launches an emh attack on 7s instead of waiting until 8s?
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #17 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 12:47pm » |
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Simon, it does not appear like silver cab launch an e+h+m attack in one move; if he answers Adanac's move with M to g3 for instance, we have E to f4 available.
Greg, nice trick that if we can pull his hd4 to c4 with an Ra4 support then we are in good shape. But it takes only one step to silver to move his h away from d4 before we can play this. One way or another, we might have to pay one rabbit to get an attacking position on the west.
7g Rh2n Rh3n Hg4s Dd1n
7s mg5e mh5n Rh4n cg8n
8g Mc2n Rc1n Ra2n Ra3n
8s mh6w Rh5n and hd4n ed3n or hd4e ed3e or ...
It's true that we can then prevent an immediate capture with E to f5, in 2 moves in the former 8s by pushing the hd5. But silver's position seems rather enjoyable.
How about 7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e ? It's not completely clear but it seems to hold after 7s hb6sss Cb3s 8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
Otherwise, it threatens to push the hd4 to c3 and hostage it with the caMel. It gives less freedom to the mg5 to pull pieces, and if silver plays a hd4e step we have Ed5e he4s Ee5s Dd1n to block the horse.
How does it look like?
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #18 on: Mar 7th, 2009, 8:31am » |
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How about 7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e ? It's not completely clear but it seems to hold after 7s hb6sss Cb3s 8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
Otherwise, it threatens to push the hd4 to c3 and hostage it with the caMel. It gives less freedom to the mg5 to pull pieces, and if silver plays a hd4e step we have Ed5e he4s Ee5s Dd1n to block the horse.
How does it look like?
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After the 7g-8g sequence of moves it looks like the silver camel does have freedom to pull pieces, e.g. 8s mg5swe Hf3n. Is this a problem?
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chessandgo
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #19 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 1:25am » |
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Yes, it's one of the answers to check. Then 9g hb3w Mc3w hd4e Ec4e seems to be doing fine?
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #20 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 9:42am » |
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on Mar 3rd, 2009, 2:07pm, chessandgo wrote:
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Is the camel flip really that much of a threat? The following line looks ok to me:
7w Mc2n Rc1n Dg2n Ec5e
7b ed3s Mc3e Md3e ed2n
8w Ed5e Ee5e Ef5w mg5w
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Then 8b h to b3 or h to c2 or M to e5 seem deadly.
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Huh? M to e5 isn't legal for him as our E is on e5.
Actually never mind, this line is irrelevant since he would pull our horse with his camel on 8w instead.
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #21 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 10:10am » |
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on Mar 5th, 2009, 12:47pm, chessandgo wrote:
How about 7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e ? It's not completely clear but it seems to hold after 7s hb6sss Cb3s 8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
Otherwise, it threatens to push the hd4 to c3 and hostage it with the caMel. It gives less freedom to the mg5 to pull pieces, and if silver plays a hd4e step we have Ed5e he4s Ee5s Dd1n to block the horse.
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Your new 7g looks promising. Let's build a game tree after that move.
Current (updated) game tree:
7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e CG
.7s hb6sss Cb3s CG
. 8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n. CG
. 8s mg5swe Hf3n Simon
. 9g hb3w Mc3w hd4e Ec4e CG
.7s hd4wws Cb3s Simon
. 8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
. 8s mg5swe Hf3n
. 9g hb3w Mc3w Ec4ee Warren
. 8g Ra2n Cb2w Mc2w Ed5e Simon
.7s hd4wwn Cb3n Warren
. 8g Ha6s Ha5s Cb4s Ha4e Warren
.7s hb6ssn Cb3n Warren
.7s mg5ss Dg3e de7s Warren
. 8g Hf3w hd4w Ed5s Dd1n Warren
. 8s Dh3nn mg3en Warren
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #22 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 11:43am » |
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on Mar 8th, 2009, 9:42am, warren wrote:
Actually never mind, this line is irrelevant since he would pull our horse with his camel on 8w instead. |
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ah sorry, I had read "e" rather than "w" in your 8g.
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #23 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 6:36pm » |
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OK, what about 7s hd4wws Cb3s as an alternative response to 7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e?
7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e CG
7s hb6sss Cb3s CG
8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n. CG
8s mg5swe Hf3n Simon
9g hb3w Mc3w hd4e Ec4e CG
7s hd4wws Cb3s
8g Ra2n Cb2w Mc2w Ed5e?
7s h->b5 C->b4 Warren
8g Ha6s Ha5s Cb4s Ha4e Warren
Warren, for your 8g h->b5 C->b4 which horse do you have in mind? I suppose we should consider both?
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #24 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 7:53pm » |
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on Mar 8th, 2009, 6:36pm, Simon wrote:OK, what about 7s hd4wws Cb3s as an alternative response to 7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e?
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How about borrowing some moves from the other EH attack line?
7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e
7s hd4wws Cb3s
8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
8s mg5swe Hf3n
9g hb3w Mc3w Ec4ee
Note he cannot capture our horse during 9s because his camel would be frozen.
on Mar 8th, 2009, 6:36pm, Simon wrote:| Warren, for your 8g h->b5 C->b4 which horse do you have in mind? I suppose we should consider both? |
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Excellent question. I had the d horse in mind, i.e.
7s hd4wwn Cb3n
but the b horse move seems comparable:
7s hb6ssn Cb3n
On second thought neither 7s looks like much of a threat.
Another possible line:
7s mg5ss Dg3e de7s
8g Hf3w hd4w Ed5s Dd1n
8s Dh3nn mg3en
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #25 on: Mar 9th, 2009, 3:40am » |
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Quote:7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e
7s hd4wws Cb3s
8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n. |
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Warren, given that 8g I figured Fritzlein might flip the caMel for 8s (moving the Dog doesn't prevent this because now the horse isn't blocking the other side of the elephant)
8s ed3n Mc3e Md3e ed4s
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #26 on: Mar 9th, 2009, 4:38am » |
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We're making progress but using a lot of time. Closing statements, please.
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #27 on: Mar 9th, 2009, 6:27am » |
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on Mar 9th, 2009, 3:40am, Simon wrote:
Warren, given that 8g I figured Fritzlein might flip the caMel for 8s (moving the Dog doesn't prevent this because now the horse isn't blocking the other side of the elephant)
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1) Good point Simon; your 8g is better.
2) Closing statement: my favorite so far is Chessandgo's 7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e.
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #28 on: Mar 9th, 2009, 10:26am » |
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a few random variations (definitely not a closing statement) 
7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e
7s hd4wws Cb3s
8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
8s mg5swe Hf3n
9g hb3w Mc3w Ec4ee
7s hb6ss Cb3s hb4s
8g Ra2n Cb2w Mc2w Rh2n
7s mg5se Dg3n Hd4e
8g Cb3w Mc2wn Rc1n
7s mg5swe Hf3n
8g Ed5e Mc2n Rc1n Dd1n (among others)
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Re: Move 7
« Reply #29 on: Mar 9th, 2009, 6:02pm » |
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on Mar 9th, 2009, 10:26am, chessandgo wrote:a few random variations (definitely not a closing statement)
7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e
7s hd4wws Cb3s
8g Ed5ws Mc2n Dd1n.
8s mg5swe Hf3n
9g hb3w Mc3w Ec4ee
7s hb6ss Cb3s hb4s
8g Ra2n Cb2w Mc2w Rh2n
7s mg5se Dg3n Hd4e
8g Cb3w Mc2wn Rc1n
7s mg5swe Hf3n
8g Ed5e Mc2n Rc1n Dd1n (among others) |
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I like these variations. It seems we can maintain the integrity of our position regardless of how Fritzlein responds. My only quibble is that I would prefer
7g Dg2n Hg4ws Ec5e
7s hd4wws Cb3s
8g Ra2n Cb2w Mc2w Ra3n
in the first scenario rather than moving the elephant back to the west. No big deal though since we can discuss that variation on move 8.
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