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Arimabuff
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #90 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 1:40pm » |
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on Apr 12th, 2008, 10:21am, Fritzlein wrote:
Do you realize how much superior this game is to 99's old one?
After the sacrificial part is over there is only 6 moves and two steps left for gold to make and during that brief period, gold makes two indispensable sacrifices and ends up with only one single rabbit, not because he threw his pieces in a trap by bravado but because it was all part of an intricate plan.
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #91 on: Apr 14th, 2008, 7:10am » |
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Arimaalon EMHDDCC with gold game 74092
Arimaalon EMHDDCC with silver game 74096
Aamira2006P1 EHH with gold game 74100
Aamira2006P1 EHH with silver game 74103
Loc2005P1 EHH with gold game 74105
Loc2005P1 EHH with silver game 74108
Arimaazilla E with gold game 74114
Arimaazilla ED with gold game 74122
Arimaazilla EH with gold game 74141
Arimaazilla EHD with gold game 74158
Arimaazilla E with silver game 74124
Arimaazilla ED with silver game 74138
Arimaazilla EH with silver game 74142
Arimaazilla EHD with silver game 74159
I've made the substitution on the page.
According to mistre (and Fame), I've met the minimum required to qualify as a record for both colors.
Take note that my win against silver is the very next game to my win against gold. 
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #92 on: Apr 14th, 2008, 3:56pm » |
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Arimaazon M with gold game 74166
Arimaazon M with silver game 74171 (This is the fastest annihilation game I have ever done or even seen)
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #93 on: Apr 14th, 2008, 11:10pm » |
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Loc2005P2 M with gold game 74179
Loc2005P2 M with silver game 74180 (I never thought that I could be ashamed of a camel handicap, but this one I am, please beat it!)
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #94 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 3:04pm » |
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ArimaaScoreP1 EMHHDDCRRRRR (IOW with only CRRR) with silver game 74194 and also game 74208 (Actually I've done it five times by now, the last two in a row).
At last!!!
99of9 you may be ruler of shallowblue but I am the undisputed king of ArimaaScore. 
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #95 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 8:09pm » |
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on Apr 12th, 2008, 1:09am, 99of9 wrote:| As far as I can tell, it satisfies the rules by 99of9, mistre, and ArimanatorV1 (and maybe aaaa, depending on how he defines "as few steps as possible" - in fact by some definitions of that he would require us to get the bot to help pull pieces toward the traps!). |
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I wouldn't go so far, as it would depend on the behavior of the bot. The big question is whether it would be in the spirit of the strictness I envisaged, if a bot capturing one of the pieces of the player during the handicapping stage would count as a legitimate handicap piece or not if up to that moment, the piece was at least "slated" for being killed off with no assumption whatsoever of bot behavior.
As for your game 73995, I'm afraid that the big problem here is not what happened with the dog, but that you could have killed two rabbits on move 5b. That means that under my strict rules, three rabbits would have to be scrapped from the handicap.
Again, anyone is free to follow whatever rule set they deem worthy, so don't attack me just for making incontestable, mathematical observations here. Don't read in those that I'm belittling people's achievements by implication.
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #96 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 3:07am » |
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Gnobot2005P1 EHHDDC with gold game 74263
Gnobot2005P1 EHHDDC with silver game 74267
Gnobby ate all my candy... and died of indigestion.
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #97 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 5:52am » |
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Arimaalon EMHHDDC with gold in game 74273
Arimaalon EMHHDDC with silver in game 74271
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #98 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 7:35am » |
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Gnobot2005P1 EMHHDDC with gold game 74282.
Gnobot2005P1 EMHHDDCR with silver game 74285.
(I am a quick study )
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #99 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 8:51am » |
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Aamira2006P1 EMH with silver in game 74291
Gnobot2005P1 EMHHDDCRR with gold in game 74289 (up to the community whether you want to list this given that I am Gnobby's creator... but if you don't, then anybody can copy this game verbatim anyway...)
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #100 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 10:12am » |
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on Apr 16th, 2008, 8:51am, 99of9 wrote:Aamira2006P1 EMH with silver in game 74291
Gnobot2005P1 EMHHDDCRR with gold in game 74289 (up to the community whether you want to list this given that I am Gnobby's creator... but if you don't, then anybody can copy this game verbatim anyway...) |
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With Arimaa having such a high branching factor it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility of programming a backdoor in one's bot or for that matter encode hidden messages in a game record that still demonstrates plausible play.
While looking for existing examples of game steganography I found this link.
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #101 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 10:42am » |
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Arimabuff and 99of9:
We need to make a decision about updating the botbashing page for handicaps, especially if you continue at this blistering pace...
Arimabuff is updating his own, but as far as I know, 99of9 is not. I don't want to be put in the position where I am always updating just 99of9 records and my own.
So either we each need to each update it ourselves, or we pick one person to do all of the updating. I am fine either way, we just need to make a consensus decision to do it one way or the other.
If we update the page directly, there will be no need to list your games here, unless you really want to. If one person updates, then we would need to continue to list the games (I prefer in a separate thread from the discussion).
Let me know your decisions.
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #102 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 11:02am » |
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on Apr 16th, 2008, 10:42am, mistre wrote:Arimabuff and 99of9:
We need to make a decision about updating the botbashing page for handicaps, especially if you continue at this blistering pace...
Arimabuff is updating his own, but as far as I know, 99of9 is not. I don't want to be put in the position where I am always updating just 99of9 records and my own.
So either we each need to each update it ourselves, or we pick one person to do all of the updating. I am fine either way, we just need to make a consensus decision to do it one way or the other.
If we update the page directly, there will be no need to list your games here, unless you really want to. If one person updates, then we would need to continue to list the games (I prefer in a separate thread from the discussion).
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Personally, I am happy updating my own records and occasionally 99's (yes I did) but I have a feeling that 99 likes it this way. I mean if he were the only one to post here people would think that he keeps beating his own records wouldn't they?
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #103 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 1:35pm » |
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I have attempted an official rule writing for the handicap games - see the botbashing page. I think I encapsulated in the rules in only 2 bullets, but please check my wording and decide if it looks correct or if I missed anything.
I don't believe there are currently any move restrictions (number of steps each turn or extra steps), or speed restrictions (how fast you sacrifice your pieces).
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Re: Bot Bashing Records Discussion
« Reply #104 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 1:37pm » |
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on Apr 16th, 2008, 8:51am, 99of9 wrote:| ...Gnobot2005P1 EMHHDDCRR with gold in game 74289 (up to the community whether you want to list this given that I am Gnobby's creator... but if you don't, then anybody can copy this game verbatim anyway...) |
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Sorry 99 I may have done a little hyperbole here. I apologize. You're welcome to beat your own bot senseless anytime.
By the way, problem solved I just beat Gnobot2005P1
EMHHDDCRRR with gold in game 74299
And
EMHHDDCRRR with silver in game 74307
I am quite sure, that it won't be the last of it.
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