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Re: Move 27
« Reply #15 on: Feb 29th, 2008, 12:59pm »
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Actually, I think Chessandgo's best 28w after our proposed 27b might be:
 
Ce2e Cf2e Cg2n Ec4e
 
This would provide more protection on f3 trap, get his E one step closer to helping out on defense and block our E from switching up and going after his horse.
 
I think he will realize that he can't afford to race right now and he will make a defensive move.
 
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #16 on: Mar 1st, 2008, 3:01pm »
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Begin voting Monday morning?
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #17 on: Mar 2nd, 2008, 7:09am »
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on Feb 28th, 2008, 12:52pm, UruramTururam wrote:
Btw - what does Bomb propose now?

Bomb is generally helpless in positions where long-term planning is required, but just for fun I let it run on this position for a bit.  I was surprised that Bomb basically agreed with what we had posted so far.  At every depth Bomb wanted to play e->e3, and for the fourth step it flip-flopped between dd7s, he6e(!), and he6w.
 
I guess that e->e3 is tactically necessary to avoid material loss, so it makes sense that Bomb agrees with us about that.  The long-term planning kicks in for the fourth step, and also depends on what we expect chessandgo to do, so it makes sense that the Mobsters are not unanimous and Bomb can't make up its mind either.
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #18 on: Mar 2nd, 2008, 1:58pm »
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I guess that e->e3 is tactically necessary to avoid material loss, so it makes sense that Bomb agrees with us about that.  The long-term planning kicks in for the fourth step, and also depends on what we expect chessandgo to do, so it makes sense that the Mobsters are not unanimous and Bomb can't make up its mind either.

Yeah, I too failed to find a superior 27b without  e->e3. I prefer your 27b ef5w ee5s ee4s he6w, Fritz - I think we don't lose much delaying the completion of our ED attack and leaving c6 underdefended may haunt us later. I think I'm ready to vote tomorrow.
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #19 on: Mar 2nd, 2008, 5:28pm »
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on Mar 2nd, 2008, 1:58pm, Soter wrote:

Yeah, I too failed to find a superior 27b without  e->e3. I prefer your 27b ef5w ee5s ee4s he6w, Fritz - I think we don't lose much delaying the completion of our ED attack and leaving c6 underdefended may haunt us later.

I haven't looked at it closely enough to have a strong preference, but 27b ef5w ee5s ee4s he6w seems to give us a solid, flexible position.  Maybe the real argument will come next move when we see whether chessandgo plays defensively, as mistre expects, or plays for counter-attack as he did a few moves ago.
 
Either way, I quite like our position.  Not only are we ahead by a rabbit, we have a better distribution of pieces.  Chessandgo's decentralized horse means our dog has lots of potential on the other wing.  Of course, an advantage based on piece-placement can always disappear as pieces regroup, but at a minimum it looks like a time advantage on top of our material advantage.
 
I was afraid we would come out of the tactical fireworks with only equality, but instead it seems our advantage is if anything clearer than it was before.  (Unless I'm wrong for the hundredth time this game  Tongue)
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #20 on: Mar 3rd, 2008, 5:33am »
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I am ready to vote for 27b ef5w ee5s ee4s he6w for the reasons mentioned above.
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #21 on: Mar 4th, 2008, 3:37pm »
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TheMob chooses e->e3, h->d6 by a healthy majority.  Now gold has to defend the cat and begin a plan.
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #22 on: Mar 4th, 2008, 5:26pm »
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And our reserve is fully refueled  Cheesy
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Re: Move 27
« Reply #23 on: Mar 9th, 2008, 3:19pm »
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For the record...

    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    1. 2. 3. 4.
1. ef5w ee5s ee4s he6w (e->e3, h->d6)   -  7  7  8
2. ef5w ee5s ee4s dd7s (e->e3, d->d6)   1  -  5  6
3. ef5w ee5s ee4s df7s (e->e3, d->f6)   1  3  -  7
4. ef5w ee5w ed5w ec5w (e->b5)    .     0  1  1  -
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