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Re: Move 33
« Reply #15 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 4:51am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 4:08am, Soter wrote:

At first glance, I don't like gold's 34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w. For the time being I support arimaamaster's move

 
After that we could mount another threat:
34b hc3w rb7s rb6s rb5e
(threatening to slip the rabbit through the trap to c2)
 
But it's still on a knife edge.
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Re: Move 33a
« Reply #16 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 5:10am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 4:09am, arimaa_master wrote:

 
33b Da3n hb3w dd7s dd6s
34w Ec4w Eb4s Re2w Rg1w
34b Rd2e ec2e Re2s ed2e
 
35w Rc1e Rb1e Rb2e Rc2e
 
And now I hope we must win some pieces, donīt we?

Well, it depends...
 
Silver could play like a bot and delay it further:
35b Hf2n ee2e Cg3e dg2n
(with potential for plenty more chasings...)
 
Or may give up a piece, for a few threats of our own:
35b rd4w dd5s dd4s rg6s
36w Hf2n dg2w Hf3n df2n df3x
36b De3n ee2n De4n ee3n
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #17 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 5:11am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 4:51am, 99of9 wrote:

 
After that we could mount another threat:
34b hc3w rb7s rb6s rb5e
(threatening to slip the rabbit through the trap to c2)
 
But it's still on a knife edge.

 
33b dd7s hb3e rg6s rg5w
34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w
34b hc3w rb7s rb6s rb5e
 
ok, but I think we wouldnīt be frightened just take the dog:
 
35w Hf2n dg2w Hf3n df2n df3x
 
and after  
 
35b rc5s rc4s ec2e rc3s
 
we have
 
36w Rf1w Re1w Rh1w Rg1w
 
and now I donīt see any further progress for Gold.
 
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Re: Move 33a
« Reply #18 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 5:22am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 5:10am, 99of9 wrote:

Well, it depends...
 
Silver could play like a bot and delay it further:
35b Hf2n ee2e Cg3e dg2n
(with potential for plenty more chasings...)
 
Or may give up a piece, for a few threats of our own:
35b rd4w dd5s dd4s rg6s
36w Hf2n dg2w Hf3n df2n df3x
36b De3n ee2n De4n ee3n

 
 
Wow, yes indeed - there are planty of subtleties further - I think at this point it is no need to go further (to be still pretty sure that we wonīt be worse) because maybe we have better moves earlier (I donīt claim that my 34w (and next golds moves) are optimal).
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #19 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 5:48am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 5:11am, arimaa_master wrote:

 
33b dd7s hb3e rg6s rg5w
34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w
34b hc3w rb7s rb6s rb5e
 
ok, but I think we wouldnīt be frightened just take the dog:
 
35w Hf2n dg2w Hf3n df2n df3x
 
and after  
 
35b rc5s rc4s ec2e rc3s
 
we have
 
36w Rf1w Re1w Rh1w Rg1w
 
and now I donīt see any further progress for Gold.
 

Hmm.. ok, I don't know what I was thinking there.
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #20 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 9:14am »
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So far lots of interesting ideas and possibilities.
 
33b Da3n hb3w dd7s dd6s
 
How does silver answer:
 
a) 34w Ec4w Eb4s Re2w De3s
b) 34w Ec4w rd4w Eb4s rc4w
 
How about a move that combines some of the ideas given in the other posts:
 
33b dd7s dd6s rb7s rb6s
 
There is a goal threat, so the dog is safe (for now). The b3 horse can now run to a6.  
 
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #21 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 9:47am »
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I haven't abandoned you guys.  I've got a close relative in St. Mungo's and it's taking all my time.  The goal threat is keeping us alive here.  It's amazing we missed chessandgo's response, but it's not clear now that we won't be able to stall while we get a swarm going or push our rabbit to the seventh rank.  Keep going.
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #22 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 10:45am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 9:14am, jdb wrote:
So far lots of interesting ideas and possibilities.
 
33b Da3n hb3w dd7s dd6s
 
How does silver answer:
 
a) 34w Ec4w Eb4s Re2w De3s
b) 34w Ec4w rd4w Eb4s rc4w
 
How about a move that combines some of the ideas given in the other posts:
 
33b dd7s dd6s rb7s rb6s
 
There is a goal threat, so the dog is safe (for now). The b3 horse can now run to a6.  
 

 
Your's 33b is interesting but after:
 
34w Rc1e Rb1e Rg1w De3w
 
I donīt see how silver can avoid loss of material.
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #23 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 4:11pm »
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Here's a list of all the lines I've seen posted so far. I'll update this post as more lines are found. I haven't decided which move I like best yet.
 
 
Moves with possible potential
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33b ec2e ed2n dd7s dd6s (arimaa_master)
 34w Ec4w Rb2e hb3s Eb4s (The jeh)
  34b De3e ed3e ee3w rb7s
   35w Df3n Rc1e Da3n Da4e
    35b ed3e rd4s dd5w dc5s
     36w Db4n Eb3n Eb4s dc4w (Warren)
......36b ee3n Df4n ee4e ce7s (Warren)
...... 37w Eb3e Ec3w rd3wx Db5w
......  37b Df5nx ef4n ef5w ee5w
......   38w Eb3w hb2n hb3ex Ea3e
......    38b ed5w ec5w db4e dc4n
......     39w Hf2s dg2w df2nx Hf1n
  34b De3e ed3e rd4s rd3s (F)
   35w Rc1e Rg1w Rf1w Df3n (AM)
    35b ee3w dd5w dc5s rb7s (the jeh)
     36w Re2n Hf2w He2e rd2e
......36b Re3n ed3e re2w ee3w
    35b ee3w dd5w dc5s dc4s (Fritzlein)
     36w Da3n Da4e Db4e Df4w
  .   36b See Fritzlein's post at the bottom of page 4 for continuations.
  34b dd5w dc5s rb7s rb6s (F)
  .35w Re2w Da3n Rb1w Ra2n
  . 35b De3e ed3e rd4s ra8s
  .  36w Da4n Da5n Da6e Ra3n
  .   36b dc4s dc3n Rc2n ee3s
  .    37w Df3w Db6n cc7s cc6x Db7e
  .     37b ee2s Rd2e dc4e rd3s
  .     .38w De3w hb2w Eb3s Rc1e
  .     . 38b Re2n ee1n rb5s rb4s
  .     .  39w Rc3n Dd3w rd2n Dc3s
  .     .   39b ee2w Dc2n ed2w rd3s
  .     .    40w Hf2w rd2n He2w Ra4n
  .     .     40b Rc4w Dc3x dd4w dc4n dc5w  
  .35w De3n rd4n De4w Da3n (F)
  . 35b ed3e Re2s ee3s dc4n
  .  36w Eb3e hb2n Ec3n hb3e hc3x
  .   36b Hf2n ee2e Cg3n Hf3x dg2n
  .    37w Ec4s dc5s Ec3e dc4s dc3x
  .     37b Cg4w dg3n Cf4s Cf3x dg4w  
 34w Ec4w rd4w rc4n Eb4e (mistre)
  34b Da3n hb3w De3e ed3e (warren)
   35w Ec4w rc5s rc4s rc3x Eb4e
    35b Da4n ha3n Da5n ha4n
   35w Ec4w Eb4s Df3n Rb2e
  34b Da3n hb3w rb7s rb6s (99)
   35w Hf2s dg2w df2n df3x Hf1n
    35b rb4s rb3e rc3s ha3e (An illegal move)
 34w Rb2e Ra2e Rc2e Rb2e (jdb)
  34b De3e ed3e rd4s rb7s (F)
  .35w Ec4w hb3s Eb4s Rg1w (jdb)
  . 35b dd5w dc5s rb6s rb5s (F)
  .  36w Da3n rb4n Da4e Rf1w
  .   36b dc4s dc3n Rc2n ra8s  
 
33b Da3n hb3w dd7s dd6s (99's bot, 12 and 16 ply)
 34w Ec4w Eb4s Re2w Rg1w (AM)
  34b Rd2e ec2e Re2s ed2e (AM)
   35w Rc1e Rb1e Rb2e Rc2e (AM)
    35b Hf2n ee2e Cg3e dg2n (99)
     36w dg3n Hf3e Re1n Rd2n (Warren)
......36b rd4w dd5s Rd3w dd4s
...... 37w Rc1n Eb3n Eb4s rc4w
......  37b rb7sses
    35b rd4w dd5s dd4s rg6s (99)
     36w Hf2n dg2w Hf3n df2n df3x (99)
......36b De3n ee2n De4n ee3n (99)
 34w Ec4w Eb4s Re2w De3s (jdb)
  34b Rd2s ec2e De2s ed2e (99)
 34w Ec4w rd4w Eb4s rc4w (jdb)
  34b rb7s rb6s rb4e dd5s (99)
  34b rb7s rb6s rb4e rc4s (mistre)
 
33b dd7s hb3e rg6s rg5w (99's bot Gnobby, 15 ply)
 34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w (Soter & AM )
  34b hc3w rb7s rb6s rb5e (99)
   35w Hf2n dg2w Hf3n df2n df3x (AM)
    35b rc5s rc4s ec2e rc3s
     36w Rf1w Re1w Rh1w Rg1w
......36b hb3n Rb2n Rb3e hb4s (Warren)  
 
 
Moves that seem bad
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33b dd7s dd6s rb7s rb6s  (jdb)
 34w Rc1e Rb1e Rg1w De3w (AM)
 
33b hb3e hc3e De3e hd3e (warren)  
 34w rd4n Ec4e Ed4s Df3n  
 
33b hb3e hc3e De3n hd3e (UruramTururam )
 34w Da3e Ec4s Ec3e xxxx (Soter)  
 
33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s (mistre)
 34w De3w Rg1w Rc1e Rb1e   (mistre)
  34b ec2e Dd3w ed2n ed3e  (mistre)
   35a Dc3e hb4s Ec4w Rb2e (Warren)
 34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w (AM)
 
33b ec2e Re2s ed2e hb3n (mistre)
 34w hb4s Ec4w hb3e hc3x Eb4s
  34b Hf2s ee2e Cg3n dg2n  
 34w Ec4n hb4e hc4s hc3x Ec5s (AM)
  34b Hf2s ee2e Cg3n dg2n
   35w rd4n Ec4e Ed4e Ee4e  
 
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #24 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 4:26pm »
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on Jun 4th, 2008, 10:39pm, The_Jeh wrote:
That move is the best I can do, too. It appears that we can hold on to our material. Here's the best line I could find so far:
 
33b ec2e ed2n dd7s dd6s
34w Ec4w Rb2e hb3s Eb4s
34b De3e ed3e ee3w rb7s
35w Df3n Rc1e Da3n Da4e
35b ed3e rd4s dd5w dc5s

If he responds with
36w Db4n Eb3n Eb4s dc4w
all our forward pieces except rabbit and elephant are frozen, which seems quite bad.
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #25 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 5:12pm »
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After looking at our choices and not being really happy with any of them - I have a new move to consider:
 
33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s
 
This move prevents an immediate horse hostage and also prevents a rabbit flip to c5.
 
If he responds with:
34w De3w Rg1w Rc1e Rb1e  
 
Then we can:
34b ec2e Dd3w ed2n ed3e
 
This protects all of our pieces for another move.  What are some possible 35w's that could put us in danger?  If he goes after our H, we can probably trade Dogs.  If he plays more defensive, we can probably swarm.
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Re: Move 33w
« Reply #26 on: Jun 5th, 2008, 7:29pm »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 5:12pm, mistre wrote:
After looking at our choices and not being really happy with any of them - I have a new move to consider:
 
33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s
 
This move prevents an immediate horse hostage and also prevents a rabbit flip to c5.
 
If he responds with:
34w De3w Rg1w Rc1e Rb1e  
 
Then we can:
34b ec2e Dd3w ed2n ed3e
 
This protects all of our pieces for another move.  What are some possible 35w's that could put us in danger?  If he goes after our H, we can probably trade Dogs.  If he plays more defensive, we can probably swarm.

Hmm, maybe something like
35w Dc3e hb4s Ec4w Rb2e
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Does anyone have any long-term plans about how we might unfreeze our horse or dog if we can keep them alive for a while? Freeing the horse seems difficult, but perhaps we can swarm in the west to keep our horse alive while sending our elephant east to go save our dog and threaten his horse?
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #27 on: Jun 6th, 2008, 12:55am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 5:12pm, mistre wrote:
After looking at our choices and not being really happy with any of them - I have a new move to consider:
 
33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s
 
This move prevents an immediate horse hostage and also prevents a rabbit flip to c5.
 
If he responds with:
34w De3w Rg1w Rc1e Rb1e  
 
Then we can:
34b ec2e Dd3w ed2n ed3e
 
This protects all of our pieces for another move.  What are some possible 35w's that could put us in danger?  If he goes after our H, we can probably trade Dogs.  If he plays more defensive, we can probably swarm.

 
 
I think here could work already known theme (from 33b dd7s hb3e rg6s rg5w) - so after:
 
33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s
 
gold has:
 
34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w
 
and now we arenīt able to prevent loss of material.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #28 on: Jun 6th, 2008, 3:24am »
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on Jun 5th, 2008, 9:14am, jdb wrote:
So far lots of interesting ideas and possibilities.
 
33b Da3n hb3w dd7s dd6s
 
How does silver answer:
 
a) 34w Ec4w Eb4s Re2w De3s

Rd2s ec2e De2s ed2e
now if he kills our horse, we kill his horse (and take control of an entire trap!)
he has other protecting options, but they don't look that great, and we have plenty of time to come back and protect the horse if we need.
 
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b) 34w Ec4w rd4w Eb4s rc4w

I'm not sure what is best, there are quite a few reasonable possibilities.  One option is:
rb7s rb6s rb4e dd5s
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Re: Move 33
« Reply #29 on: Jun 6th, 2008, 6:02am »
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on Jun 6th, 2008, 12:55am, arimaa_master wrote:

 
I think here could work already known theme (from 33b dd7s hb3e rg6s rg5w) - so after:
 
33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s
 
gold has:
 
34w rd4e Ec4e Ed4s Rg1w
 
and now we arenīt able to prevent loss of material
 
 

 
Agreed, file 33b dd7s dd6s hb3n rb7s under the clearly bad moves.
 
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