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Move 40
« on: Sep 12th, 2008, 10:47am »
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We got the C&G's answer:
 
40w Ec4s dc5s Ec3e dc4s dc3x
 
Well, not very surprising...
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #1 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 10:54am »
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Our proposed response is
 
40s ef4s ef3n Re3e Rc3x ce7s
 
I like this.  I'll entertain motions to make this move quickly.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #2 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 10:56am »
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I can see nothing better than the main line discussed before; so I agree with Ron we can make our move quickly.  Smiley
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #3 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 11:03am »
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I second the proposed move.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #4 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 12:40pm »
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Count me in for that move too!
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #5 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 1:34pm »
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I'm all in favor, too.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #6 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 2:32pm »
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I'm in favor of the proposed move and in favor of moving quickly.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #7 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 2:48pm »
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I'm not quite ready to move yet, but I expect to be ready within 24 hours.
 
Update: I'm not 100% convinced that's the best move, but I haven't found anything better. I therefore currently support the motion to make the consensus move quickly.
 
Moving tonight seems a bit hasty to me, so I would prefer (but do not insist upon) waiting until tomorrow before moving.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #8 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 10:17pm »
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It looks like we have a bit of choice about the last step?
 
Perhaps we should position a rabbit instead of the cat?  Either away from the c3 trap, or nearer to a goal.
 
I think the current move looks strong, but am interested in hearing alternatives.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #9 on: Sep 13th, 2008, 12:34am »
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It looks like we have a bit of choice about the last step?  
 
Perhaps we should position a rabbit instead of the cat?  Either away from the c3 trap, or nearer to a goal.  
 
I think the current move looks strong, but am interested in hearing alternatives

 
Then maybe replace ce7s with rd5e? On the other hand, I reckon that ce7s does make our goal attack a bit stronger too (albeit rather indirectly), as it allows the f7 rabbit to charge straight ahead.
 
Btw, do we have a decent answer to 41g Ed3e Rh1n rh4n Ch3n?
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #10 on: Sep 13th, 2008, 7:19am »
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on Sep 13th, 2008, 12:34am, Soter wrote:

 
Then maybe replace ce7s with rd5e? On the other hand, I reckon that ce7s does make our goal attack a bit stronger too (albeit rather indirectly), as it allows the f7 rabbit to charge straight ahead.
 
Btw, do we have a decent answer to 41g Ed3e Rh1n rh4n Ch3n?

 
The advantage I see of rd5e over ce7s is that it makes it harder for him to rescue the horse if we push the horse to f5.
 
If he replies to 40s ... ce7s with 41g Ed3e Rh1n rh4n Ch3n, what about replying with 41s Hg4n ef4e rd5e re5s? If we play 40s ... rd5e instead, we can get to the same position after that 41g with slight variant on that 41s.
 
Update: I currently support 40s ef4s ef3n Re3ex rd5e. After Fritzlein's
  40s ef4s ef3n Re3e Rf3x ????
  41g Ed3e Rg1w Rf1n Da3e
  41s ef4s Hg4w Hf4n ef3n
if ????=ce7s, he can reply with
 42g Rd4e Re4n Hf5e Hg5e
but if ????=rd5e, his options are more limited.
 
Update 2: If we end up trading his horse and a rabbit for our two dogs, leaving us with 8 rabbits and 2 cats and him with 6 rabbits a cat and a dog, that's fine for us, right?
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #11 on: Sep 14th, 2008, 2:58am »
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Update 2: If we end up trading his horse and a rabbit for our two dogs, leaving us with 8 rabbits and 2 cats and him with 6 rabbits a cat and a dog, that's fine for us, right?

Calculations from Janzert's site:
 
Our present position( e3 rabbit alive )
FAME thinks gold is ahead by 2.51.
DAPE thinks gold is ahead by 3.24.
DAPE (empirically optimized) thinks gold is ahead by 0.12.
 
if e3 rabbit dead:
FAME thinks gold is ahead by 0.72.
DAPE thinks gold is ahead by 1.02.
DAPE (empirically optimized) thinks silver is ahead by 1.18.
 
Warren's example ( EDC + 6R  vs.  ecc + 8r )
FAME thinks silver is ahead by 1.72.
DAPE thinks silver is ahead by 1.84.
DAPE (empirically optimized) thinks silver is ahead by 1.95.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #12 on: Sep 14th, 2008, 3:20pm »
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on Sep 13th, 2008, 12:34am, Soter wrote:

 
Btw, do we have a decent answer to 41g Ed3e Rh1n rh4n Ch3n?

 
I suggest 41s Hg4n ef4e dg3e rh7s.
 
If the gold E comes to the rescue, our cat on e6 allows our d5 rabbit to run to e2.  The only way for gold to block is with the E and we can collect the horse.  This is another reason I like ce7s for our current move.
 
If the gold E pushes our cat off e6, 42s rb5e rd5e rc5e re5s and we should be able to goal using e+d+r against D+C+Rs through c3.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #13 on: Sep 14th, 2008, 9:20pm »
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on Sep 14th, 2008, 3:20pm, RonWeasley wrote:
I suggest 41s Hg4n ef4e dg3e rh7s.
 
If the gold E comes to the rescue, our cat on e6 allows our d5 rabbit to run to e2.  The only way for gold to block is with the E and we can collect the horse.  This is another reason I like ce7s for our current move.

In that line we can send our d5 rabbit to e2 in four steps regardless of whether we do ce7s or rd5e on the current move (it transposes).  That is, in the following line the two bolded steps can be swapped:
40b ef4s ef3n Re3e Rf3x ce7s  
41w Rh1n rh4n Ch3n Ed3e
41b Hg4n ef4e dg3e rh7s
42w Ee3n Ee4n Ee5e Da3e
42b rd5e re5s re4s re3s
 
I've encountered such transpositions in quite a few lines. What are the key lines which work out better for us with 40b ... ce7s than 40b ... rd5e? In my last post I mentioned that in Fritzlein's original line rd5e seems to work better for us than ce7s.
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Re: Move 40
« Reply #14 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 5:18am »
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I looked at the rd5e option and I get good results with that one too.  I don't have the best lines for each.  Too many.  I think our position is a win either way.
 
So, due to the current lack of discussion, I propose to vote on these two options beginning this afternoon if there are no objections.
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