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2015 Move 22g
« on: May 5th, 2016, 9:05am »
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Sharp played 21s dc6n mb6e ra6e ra7s:
 
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #1 on: May 5th, 2016, 9:18am »
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Maybe it's time to resign before this turns into a mockery.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #2 on: May 5th, 2016, 5:05pm »
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What about 22g: Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n ?
 
Pulling the rabbit forward is somewhat risky, but we can't allow both our camel and horse to be trapped  in the north west doing nothing other than pinning some minor pieces down.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #3 on: May 5th, 2016, 7:51pm »
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I agree, the first three steps seem like the natural move.  It keeps our camel in play.  There may be other options for the fourth step though.
 
I think if we pull the rabbit with the idea of threatening it, we'll probably need to block a4 later; so moving a piece in that direction may be useful.  Or is something like Ec4 Rb4 the desired follow-up?
 
(E or H):.Dd6 M:.De6 seems like a fine basic response from silver.  Using the elephant moves to threaten our camel.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #4 on: May 6th, 2016, 3:29am »
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I am bit afraid of rb5 as well as of Eb4 Rc4 formation.
 
Here are two other moves to think about ...
 
A) Spending full turn by achieving Rc2, Rb3, Rb4 does not look much better.
 
B) I have tought about Rc2 sac to move Rb4 Ec5 hc4.
 
Silver slowly gains full dog advantage with position without problems.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #5 on: May 6th, 2016, 4:53pm »
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(E or H):.Dd6 M:.De6 seems like a fine basic response from silver.  Using the elephant moves to threaten our camel.

 
In this case 23g: Mb6n ra6e Ra5n Ra6n
 
Looks like an interesting response.
 
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I think if we pull the rabbit with the idea of threatening it, we'll probably need to block a4 later; so moving a piece in that direction may be useful.  Or is something like Ec4 Rb4 the desired follow-up?

 
I would ddesire something like this if silver allowed it. Unfortunately silver will probably play something like 22s: Rc4s ed4w dc7w cd7w or 22s: Rc4s ed4w de5s de4w which would shut down this possibility.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #6 on: May 6th, 2016, 5:20pm »
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I think we're in agreement on all points there Hufflepup.  Your first response advances a rabbit but I don't see a way for us to ever score with it, though it would tie up pieces.
 
I don't think either of Hippo's moves are better.  A) nearly blockades our own elephant, and B) doesn't really threaten anything as the horse can still escape too easily.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #7 on: May 7th, 2016, 1:55pm »
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on May 6th, 2016, 5:20pm, half_integer wrote:

I don't think either of Hippo's moves are better. A) nearly blockades our own elephant, and B) doesn't really threaten anything as the horse can still escape too easily.

It seems to me Rb4 blocks phant much less than Rc4.
 
And I think we want to block b6 rabbit before leaving with our phant.
 
But OK with De6 hd5 ec5  response our position would look really bad.
 
... OK I cannot see fine move
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #8 on: May 7th, 2016, 6:36pm »
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And I think we want to block b6 rabbit before leaving with our phant.

 
I agree, that b6 rabbit is a problem. Unfortunately I cant see any way we could plausibly rotate the elephant out after my proposed move of 22g: Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n .
 
22g: De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w might be better to bring the cat across first, but
22s: Rc4w ed4w de5s de4w
23g: Cc3w Rb4w Eb5s Ra5e
still leaves us in abit of an awkward position.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #9 on: May 7th, 2016, 11:12pm »
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We got to make Browni look at the position. We may need a miracle tactical solution, a la Game 4 of AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol match, and browni is our best bet toward this end. I'll start pressuring him in the chat.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #10 on: May 8th, 2016, 4:01am »
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on May 7th, 2016, 6:36pm, Hufflepup wrote:

22g: De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w might be better to bring the cat across first, but
22s: Rc4w ed4w de5s de4w
23g: Cc3w Rb4w Eb5s Ra5e
still leaves us in abit of an awkward position.

 
I was also thinking about De3 Cc3 x, but silver has at least Dd6 hd5 Rc5 ec4 as reply.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #11 on: May 8th, 2016, 3:40pm »
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I'm not seeing any way to save our dog or to generate any meaningful counterplay.
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #12 on: May 10th, 2016, 9:06am »
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So far choices:
22g Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n (anyone still wants that?)
22g Rc2n Rc4w Rc3x hc5s Eb5e (if I interpret Hippo's move correctly)
22g De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w
resign
 
Anything to add to those?
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #13 on: May 10th, 2016, 10:27am »
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on May 10th, 2016, 9:06am, deep_blue wrote:
So far choices:
22g Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n (anyone still wants that?)
22g Rc2n Rc4w Rc3x hc5s Eb5e (if I interpret Hippo's move correctly)
22g De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w
resign
 
Anything to add to those?

 
There was  
22g De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w proposal as well
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Re: 2015 Move 22g
« Reply #14 on: May 12th, 2016, 6:10am »
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on May 10th, 2016, 9:06am, deep_blue wrote:
So far choices:
22g Eb5s rb6s Mb7s De2n (anyone still wants that?)
22g Rc2n Rc4w Rc3x hc5s Eb5e (if I interpret Hippo's move correctly)
22g De2n Cd2n Cd3w Rf1w
resign
 
Anything to add to those?

 
?? Here were 4 options, you have asked if there should be some more options, I have answered there was 5th and in the poll there are just 3.
 
Oh stupid me ... I have added move already included ...
The move what was missing was
22g Rb2n Rb3e Rc4w Rc3w
Never mind ... I am missing the resign option ...
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