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Adanac
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #30 on: Jan 28th, 2008, 8:14pm » |
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on Jan 28th, 2008, 5:23pm, Fritzlein wrote:| On the other hand, maybe we shouldn't overload the World Championship tournament with too many objectives. If we want a friendly tournament, let's wait for summer and play six rounds of the level tournament we're talking about in another thread, not worrying so much about fairness and winning as fun. Then we can make the World Championship into a triple-elimination, take-no-prisoners, we-don't-care-if-we-hurt-someone's-feelings type of event. |
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I'm definitely in agreement with the triple-elimination idea now. A few weeks ago I loved the idea of having a qualifier for the WC that gave everyone had a shot at the #1 seed in the final 8, regardless of rating. But upon reflection, I now prefer a simple, fair, control-your-own-destiny triple elimination tournament.
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #31 on: Jan 29th, 2008, 1:20am » |
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Round 3 commentary is up. I promise it doesn't contain any rantings about tie-breaking methods... 
I guess we can add to the list of appealing traits of elimination tournaments: there is less controversy if everyone controls their own destiny. Of course losing once or less in the preliminaries is a way to automatically advance even under the current rules, but for someone who does lose twice, it could be very tough to miss the finals while another two-loss player advances due to results in the bottom of the bracket.
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #32 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 7:20am » |
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I herewith officially resign from the tourney ...
My newborn daughter and her older brother (and my wife and my job) are making it impossible for me to find the time.
sorry
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #33 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:51am » |
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As TD I must say we are officially disappointed to lose one of the primary contenders from the tournament. However, I realize family comes first and I know how much work a baby can be. It's very hard to find two consecutive uninterrupted hours every week.
Thank you, PMertens, for trying to play and especially for notifying the tournament of your withdrawal. This helps our organization of the remaining rounds.
You will be missed. I hope you can spectate when you are available.
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #34 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 11:05am » |
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Really sorry to hear about that Paul. We will miss your exciting play style.
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #35 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 12:45pm » |
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Just to clarify, a player who withdraws does not get paired in subsequent rounds. So PMertens will not be paired with another 2-2 player. Instead, the bottom ranked player of rounds 5 and 6 will receive a bye according to the pairing rules.
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #36 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 3:40pm » |
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on Feb 3rd, 2008, 12:45pm, RonWeasley wrote:| Just to clarify, a player who withdraws does not get paired in subsequent rounds. So PMertens will not be paired with another 2-2 player. Instead, the bottom ranked player of rounds 5 and 6 will receive a bye according to the pairing rules. |
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This ruling improves the situation for players on the bubble of making the final eight. Formerly there were going to zero, one, or two players with two losses that didn't qualify. Now it is very unlikely there will be two players left out in the cold, and more likely there will be zero than one. Everyone who is still in contention just gained a little bit more control over their own destiny.
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #37 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 3:41pm » |
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Here are the WC standings after round four according to the current system on the left and the 1:1 Bradley-Terry model on the right. Wins are in parentheses on the side.
Wins Rank Official................Bradley-Terry
(4) 1. Fritzlein....................chessandgo
2. chessandgo....................Fritzlein
(3) 3. 99of9.............................99of9
4. Adanac....................arimaa_master
5. arimaa_master....................Adanac
6. jdb.................................jdb
7. camelback...........................woh
8. woh...........................camelback
(2) 9. naveed...........................froody
10. mistre...........................mistre
11. fritzlforpresident...fritzlforpresident
12. froody...........................naveed
13. PMertens.......................ArifSyed
14. ArifSyed.......................PMertens
15. omar..............................Emaad
16. Emaad..............................Omar
17. ChrisB...........................ChrisB
18. subs2000.......................subs2000
(1) 19. Aamir.............................Fisma
20. Fisma.............................Aamir
21. silump5.........................silump5
22. Amina.............................Amina
23. soldier.........................soldier
24. Sana...............................Sana
(0) 25. megamau.........................megamau
26. zackry...........................zackry
Interestingly, at this point the differences are minimal.
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Fritzlein
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #38 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 4:00pm » |
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Yeah, quite small differences. The biggest rank movers are naveed and froody changing places. Maybe the crude strength of schedule isn't so bad after all...
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #39 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 7:22pm » |
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on Feb 3rd, 2008, 12:45pm, RonWeasley wrote:| Just to clarify, a player who withdraws does not get paired in subsequent rounds. So PMertens will not be paired with another 2-2 player. Instead, the bottom ranked player of rounds 5 and 6 will receive a bye according to the pairing rules. |
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So the current pairing is wrong?
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #40 on: Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:08pm » |
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I am wondering if this is going to change the pairings too...
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #41 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 12:39am » |
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I changed the pairing program to allow removing some players and re-ran it. You should have received an updated email with the new pairing even though for most people the opponent did not change, but the color may have.
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #42 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 3:20pm » |
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game times seem wrong in the gameroom
the email said my game is at
Sat 11:00 am YLT
but in the gameroom it shows as
Sat 12:00 am
anyone else have this issue?
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #43 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 1:18am » |
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on Feb 5th, 2008, 3:20pm, 99of9 wrote:| game times seem wrong in the gameroom |
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The problem seems to have gone away.
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RonWeasley
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Re: 2008 World Championship Discussion
« Reply #44 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 2:25pm » |
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Just to clarify, The tourament coverage page lists zackry as withdrawn. I haven't received any notification that zackry has actually withdrawn. Even though he has not shown up for any games, current rules indicate he got a bye in round five. That counts as a win with no SoS points.
For round 6, zackry is tied at the bottom with only one win, but has the lowest SoS total, so he gets the bye again.
This has the same effect as withdrawing, but we should score it correctly. In the final standings, he will have 2 wins, both byes.
If zackry, has told anybody that he withdrew, please bring it to my attention.
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