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PMertens
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player of the month
« on: Feb 24th, 2005, 4:10pm » |
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thanks a lot for the new championchip bots ...
a side effect will be that the "player of the month" will have a lot of games to play 
(10 different championchip bots + our regular bots)
should player of the month be limited to human vs human games ?
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Fritzlein
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #1 on: Feb 24th, 2005, 9:11pm » |
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Yes, that now makes 14 bots anybody can play, and those are just the ones Omar maintains, so there's also the real Bomb, Clueless, etc.
An alternative to not counting wins against bots would be to let wins against humans count for three points and wins against bots only one point. I'm trying to win player of the month right now, but it's a lot of work. To win the contest may just prove that I have more time and patience than the next guy.
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PMertens
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #2 on: Feb 26th, 2005, 11:19pm » |
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In case of a tie for the longest winning streak, the one who played most recently wins ...
ah at what time does the month end ?
(on our globe we got different timezones - and it would be a shame if California would have more time than Australia  )
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Fritzlein
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #3 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 9:52am » |
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I believe that to be counted the game has to end before midnight GMT, so everyone has the same cutoff.
I should have faced the reality that I would have a better chance of winning Player of the month by playing you head-to-head than by trying to play more bots.
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PMertens
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #4 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 10:32am » |
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And still you go on with that
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Fritzlein
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #5 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 11:11am » |
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OK, Let's make a deal. Let's play heads up for Player of the Month on the 28th, no matter who is ahead at that time.
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PMertens
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #6 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 1:54pm » |
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that deal wont solve the problem
Midnight GMT would be unfair to US players that can only play in the evening.
I certainly would prefer a shared prize, since I cant think of any timerelated earthwide fair rule.
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #7 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 3:20am » |
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Haha, you two are so funny. I don't think I'll ever even play that many games in a month, let alone in a winning streak!
I would volunteer to be the final game of the month for both of you...
... however that will be my first day of work.
PS if anyone wants to see a crazily tense game - have a look at my game against omar in the postal. My brain is overloading so much that I probably won't be able to play my next move for days.
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #8 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 5:02am » |
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I think the competition between Fritzlein and PMertens may created a very long winning streak possible the longest ever. But a lot of the games do not contain much meaning. Neither of the 2 will be likely to lose a game against Arimaalon or Gno_bot2004CC expect by disconnect.
So I agree with Fritzlein that there is a need for some sort of reform in the competition. Like rewarding human games higher and perhaps also rewarding players taking on harder competitors. For the moment all wins count as the same even if there is several hundreds rating points of difference between the players. This could be changed to give more points for games between players with similar strength.
A new weighting scheme could be something like this:
1 point for a win against a bot with a rating lower than the player.
2 points for a win against a bot with a rating higher than the player.
1 point for a win against a human more than 25 places lower on the established player list (or a certain number of ratings point) than the player
2 points for a win against a human less than 25 places lower than the player
3 points for a win against a human less than 10 places lower than the player
5 points for a win against a human higher rating than the player
This scoring system would encourage more exiting games if a player would like to win the player of the month.  On the downside it is more complex than the present system and may be difficult to implement. 
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PMertens
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #9 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 7:55am » |
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I still think, that simply skipping the bots might allready make some sense.
Those games have absolutely no meaning since both of us CAN outplay the bots in a more or less boring way.
I got 3 bots to go - 2 of them are 3 min movers 
If Fritzl agrees , then I would share the winning prize even if we both got 15 games ... unless he insists on playing more games.
(Even if technically I am first now - but as I said I dislike the rule "last one wins"
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #10 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 8:47am » |
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on Feb 28th, 2005, 3:20am, 99of9 wrote:
I would volunteer to be the final game of the month for both of you...
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If you win both games, I'm sure that Yusei will be shocked to learn that he's won the Player of the Month award
I'd like to see a new system that's both easy to learn and which encourages more human vs. human play. Fritzlein's suggestion of 3 points for a victory over a human seems like a nice idea.
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #11 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 8:53am » |
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If you win both games, I'm sure that Yusei will be shocked to learn that he's won the Player of the Month award.
Actually if these games take place and 99of9 wins both he will be player of the month assuming nobody else get to more than 4 wins or get the 4th win after the end of the last of the 2 games. 
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #12 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 6:13pm » |
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now I won by 6 minutes because Fritzl final game ended in the wrong month
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #13 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 10:10pm » |
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maybe it makes more sense if the FIRST to reach his points wins ? that should be easy to implement ...
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Re: player of the month
« Reply #14 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 1:28am » |
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Yes, I agree - at least that would make it a race to win, risking your current streak.
Personally I think bot games should not count at all because bots keep spawning copies of themselves. On the other hand, it does encourage people to play the bots. Is that good?
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