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« on: Apr 3rd, 2008, 1:37pm »
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As some of you know, I volunteered to update the bot bashers page found on the Arimaa wiki here - http://arimaa.com/arimaa/twiki/bin/view/Arimaa/BotBashers
 
Well, I have finished adding the information that Fritzlein provided through game 72910 which I think is all games through March 22, 2008.
 
If you have made any records after that date, please post them here.
 
Also, handicap games can not be queried for, so if you have any information concerning old handicap records, please post those as well.  As you can see, there are some records on the page that are unaccounted for.
 
It turns out that there are quite a few records that are currently vacant, so now that you have an accurate up-to-date page to refer to - let's see some bot bashing!
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Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record - New!
« Reply #1 on: Apr 3rd, 2008, 1:51pm »
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I would also like to add links to the old bot bashing contests on the botbashers page.  I believe there were two - 3 steps and elephant can't go past the midline.  I saw those pages at one time, but I can't seem to find them again.  Can someone post the links here?
 
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 4th, 2008, 1:50am »
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Here is the three step contest thread.  
 
Won by Swynndla!
 
I bumped it on top of the threads.
 
The winning games are posted chronologically in the thread.
 
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/forum/cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=talk;action=display;nu m=1145566850;start=0#0
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 4th, 2008, 2:03am »
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For the elephant can't pass the midline contest Idahoev made a special page with the rules along with all the results in a grid.
 
Here it is:
 
http://idahoev.com/arimaa/challenge_2006_05.html
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 5th, 2008, 6:34am »
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M handicap against bot_Loc2006P2 game 73525
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 6th, 2008, 2:14pm »
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against ArimaaScoreP1:
EMHHDDR with silver, game 73617 in 14 moves.
 
Bis repetita placent.  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 12:21am »
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against ArimaaScoreP1:  
EMHHDDR with silver, game 73658 in 12 moves.
 
I knew it could be improved.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 4:34am »
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against ArimaaScoreP1:  
EMHHDDR with gold, game 73664 in 18 moves.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 8:00am »
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against ArimaaScoreP1:  
EMHHDDCRR with gold, game 73676
EMHHDDCRR with silver, game 73675
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 11:04am »
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against ArimaaScoreP1:    
EMHHDDCRRR with silver, game 73708 in 27 moves
EMHHDDCRRR with gold, game 73713 in 25 moves
 
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 1:19pm »
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Not to detract from the fine achievements here, but I've witnessed some sloppiness in effecting the handicap in the beginning. I believe the pieces should not only be killed off in as few steps as possible, but also in order from strongest to weakest, like so:

  • 1st step: elephant
  • 2nd step: camel
  • 3rd and 4th step: horse
  • 5rd and 6th step: other horse
  • Etc.
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Re: Announce Bot Bashing Record - New!
« Reply #11 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 2:37pm »
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on Apr 7th, 2008, 1:19pm, aaaa wrote:
Not to detract from the fine achievements here, but I've witnessed some sloppiness in effecting the handicap in the beginning. I believe the pieces should not only be killed off in as few steps as possible, but also in order from strongest to weakest, like so:

  • 1st step: elephant
  • 2nd step: camel
  • 3rd and 4th step: horse
  • 5rd and 6th step: other horse
  • Etc.

It doesn't matter to me; and a quick look at ALL the handicap games played so far, shows that it never mattered to anyone who's ever been an active contributor to multiple handicap games. Unless you can prove that it requires exceptional Arimaa skills to put your pieces on the board in a certain order, your suggestion is irrelevant.
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 3:35pm »
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I do think it's relevant what I've said. The more pieces that are to be killed off influence the game, the less the handicap means something. Otherwise, where would you draw the line after which piece suicides no longer "count"? Even if you disagree with my maximalist proposal above, there should still be hard rules governing the eligibility of handicap games.
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 3:58pm »
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on Apr 7th, 2008, 3:35pm, aaaa wrote:
I do think it's relevant what I've said. The more pieces that are to be killed off influence the game, the less the handicap means something. Otherwise, where would you draw the line after which piece suicides no longer "count"? Even if you disagree with my maximalist proposal above, there should still be hard rules governing the eligibility of handicap games.

When you play poker; do you impose that one uncovers his cards in a certain order for his hand to be eligible?
 
And why limiting your imposition to the order, why not also oblige that the pieces to be killed move first from left to right and that the pieces on a higher level be killed first and then the ones underneath etc... After all that's the way we write. Why arbitrarily fix the order and not the movement?
 
As I said before, unless you can prove that it requires particular skills to put your pieces on a board in a certain order your suggestion is irrelevant and arbitrary since as I showed you can also impose the pieces to be thrown in the trap clockwise for instance, or some other mandate that tickles your fancy.
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 7th, 2008, 4:13pm »
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on Apr 7th, 2008, 3:58pm, Arimabuff wrote:

When you play poker; do you impose that one uncovers his cards in a certain order for his hand to be eligible?
 
And why limiting your imposition to the order, why not also oblige that the pieces to be killed move first from left to right and that the pieces on a higher level be killed first and then the ones underneath etc... After all that's the way we write. Why arbitrarily fix the order and not the movement?
 
As I said before, unless you can prove that it requires particular skills to put your pieces on a board in a certain order your suggestion is irrelevant and arbitrary since as I showed you can also impose the pieces to be thrown in the trap clockwise for instance, or some other mandate that tickles your fancy.

 
The opponent does not know its a handicap game.
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