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Move 3
« on: Apr 27th, 2007, 8:13am »
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Who wants to place bets on 3b?  Will chessandgo play E->d7, H->b6?  Or follow his current postal against 99of9 with E->d6, H->b6, D->b7?  Or something completely different?
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #1 on: Apr 27th, 2007, 3:51pm »
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I'm confused. Why would he work toward a dog on b7?  Do you mean H->b3 D->b2?
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #2 on: Apr 27th, 2007, 5:04pm »
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Ooooops.  Thanks for the correction.  Let me try again.
 
Will chessandgo play E->d7, H->b3?  Or follow his current postal against 99of9 with E->d6, H->b3, D->b2?  Or something completely different?
 
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #3 on: Apr 27th, 2007, 11:26pm »
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Perhaps he will first play 3w Ee5e Ef5e Eg5w hg6s.  After he pulls our horse, we will be obliged to rescue it with 3b ed4e ee4e ef4e hg5n.  At that point, his elephant will be closer to the c6 trap than ours, and he can then launch an HE attack with 4w Ef5w Ee5w Ed5n Hb2n.
 
If we move our elephant to c4 to stop his b3 horse from advancing, he can just destroy our cat on c7.  I guess moving hb7s would work.  However, he could start pulling either our dd8, cc7, or even me7 south, and a rescue by our elephant could leave him attacking the f6 trap again.
 
I think we would come out on top, so there is little threat of him actually playing this, but I just thought I'd put such a move out there.
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #4 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 8:13am »
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Chessandgo has played
3w De1n Ee5w Ed5n Hb2n
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #5 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 3:48pm »
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Some initial thoughts, although I haven't looked at it closely yet:
 
3b hb7s cc7w dd8s dd7w
Looks very solid defensively.  I don't think chessandgo can get a central rabbit pull, nor a piece pull with our elephant still lurking in the center.  This move sort of admits, however, that we should have started with dogs behind both traps.
 
3b hb7s ed4s ed3e Md2n
I'm a defensive player by nature, but this aggressive move has to be considered.  I don't think chessandgo can afford to ignore our attack on his camel while advancing against our c6 trap.  On the other hand, do we like the position after he frees his camel?
 
3b hb7s ed4n dd8s ce8w
This boxes chessandgo in pretty well.  If he responds by advancing H->b5, D->b3, we have a potential resource in 4b ed5w hb6w cc7w dd7w, threatening to get his horse in trouble, while protecting our a7 rabbit.  On the other hand, moving our elephant back is sort of counting on him to make something happen, since we are out of range to make threats.
 
I'm sure there are additional plausible moves.  At this point I think it helps as much to put extra suggestions on the table as it does to get deep specific lines.  There are lots of possibilities, so we may be choosing an attitude as much as a move.
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #6 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 7:15pm »
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I would favour a move that positions our elephant between gold's home traps. The rabbit on d1 is a possible weakness. Chessandgo likes to keep his camel in the centre, so placing our elephant where his camel wants to be is a good idea too.
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #7 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 7:27pm »
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Since out phant is forward, I think we can afford bringing some stones to the front... (of course, solving the threat at c6 too. I don´t ther eis anything to win by wasting the kitty. Smiley )
 
I tought something like 3w hb7s me7s dd8s dd7e...
 
And instead os using the horse or the elephant, another way to secure the c6 is dd8s rc8e... Perhaps 3b dd8s rc8e me7s df7w. How far could he take the camel?
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #8 on: Apr 29th, 2007, 1:10am »
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Maybe take Fritzlein's third suggestion, but change it slightly to 3b hb7s ed4s dd8s ce8w.   If Chessandgo moves H->b5, we just move e->c5, seizing the horse.  If not, we move ed3n Md2n Md3e ed4s, opening up a wide variety of pulls on the east side that are not completely reversible.  
 
If he attempts to blockade our elephant with a move involving E->d4, we either sneak back with e->d5, which puts us in a wonderfully balanced position, or else we are given the chance to bully an e3 or e4 piece.
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #9 on: Apr 29th, 2007, 5:33am »
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An aggressive EH option:
hb7s dd8s hg6s hg6s
 
A threat on his exposed rabbit/camel:
hb7s ed4s ra7e rh7w
 
I reiterate my request that the vote includes all options considered.  We can just vote down the silly ones.  I don't think there'll be hundreds...
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #10 on: Apr 30th, 2007, 12:42pm »
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I'm leaning toward 3b hb7s ed4s ed3e Md2n.
 
The h on b6 keeps the b3 H from going to b6.  Gold must use two steps to safen the M, and I think he has to do this or else we drive the M into the center.  He can't do much to us in his remaining two steps that we can't protect in only two steps.  So that gives us two free steps on our next move.  The effect is a two step gain in tempo as long as we can maintain some initiative.  This effectively cancels gold's first move advantage.
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #11 on: Apr 30th, 2007, 3:16pm »
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on Apr 29th, 2007, 5:33am, 99of9 wrote:
An aggressive EH option:
hb7s dd8s hg6s hg6s

Is this correct??
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #12 on: Apr 30th, 2007, 5:20pm »
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on Apr 30th, 2007, 3:16pm, NIC1138 wrote:

Is this correct??

Oh, sorry, it should have been:
 hb7s dd8s hg6s hg5s
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #13 on: May 1st, 2007, 3:43pm »
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on Apr 29th, 2007, 1:10am, The_Jeh wrote:
Maybe take Fritzlein's third suggestion, but change it slightly to 3b hb7s ed4s dd8s ce8w.   If Chessandgo moves H->b5, we just move e->c5, seizing the horse.  If not, we move ed3n Md2n Md3e ed4s, opening up a wide variety of pulls on the east side that are not completely reversible.  
 
If he attempts to blockade our elephant with a move involving E->d4, we either sneak back with e->d5, which puts us in a wonderfully balanced position, or else we are given the chance to bully an e3 or e4 piece.

 
I fully agree with your suggested move (I invented it too, but you were first to write about it :) - I am always trying to suggest move like it is my move in my postal game and then check the forum if it is already listed or not (and consider other suggested moves at forum too, of course :)).
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Re: Move 3
« Reply #14 on: May 2nd, 2007, 8:25am »
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on May 1st, 2007, 3:43pm, arimaa_master wrote:
I fully agree with your suggested move.

What would you guys both do if he then flipped the dog?
 
I think we would need to bring the elephant back one, suggesting that we wasted a step.
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