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Move 21
« on: Jan 10th, 2008, 3:39pm »
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #1 on: Jan 17th, 2008, 6:55pm »
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Chessandgo plays 21w Da4e Db4e Eb5e Cf2w
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #2 on: Jan 17th, 2008, 8:20pm »
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Just to get discussion started, I'll throw out 21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s. My rationale is that it blockades the H, freezes the D, and threatens to capture the C.
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #3 on: Jan 17th, 2008, 10:16pm »
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[EDIT: Oops, I didn't see Katie was logged in instead of me.  This post is from Fritzlein.]
 
on Jan 17th, 2008, 8:20pm, The_Jeh wrote:
Just to get discussion started, I'll throw out 21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s. My rationale is that it blockades the H, freezes the D, and threatens to capture the C.

At first glance, I really like this move.
 
Incidentally I see the first three posts in this thread are from folks not playing in the World Championship.  Perhaps you will have to carry the team for a bit.  But maybe chessandgo will be distracted too, so it will be a net Mob advantage.
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #4 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 4:03am »
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Hmm,  
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s  
 
looks interesting but I think it is a little bit complicated and it must be carefully examined coz we can get in trouble there.
 
e.g. what to play after  
 
22w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4s Me3e  ?
 
(it threatens flip our camel to e3 and then we will be in trouble I guess).
 
 
Therefore I suggest to play:
 
21b ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e  
 
securing our position and threaten to go after deserted h5 rabbit in next moves).
 
 
 
 
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #5 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 6:39am »
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I think we should consider
21b ed3n Dd2n Cc2e mc3s
 
but I'm quite interested in both of the other suggestions.
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #6 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 11:57am »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 4:03am, arimaa_master wrote:
Hmm,  
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s  
 
looks interesting but I think it is a little bit complicated and it must be carefully examined coz we can get in trouble there.
 
e.g. what to play after  
 
22w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4s Me3e ?
 
(it threatens flip our camel to e3 and then we will be in trouble I guess).

 
Maybe 22b ec4e mc3n Db4n ha4e. This is a dog hostage, or maybe even a forced capture if the lines are examined completely.
 
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #7 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 12:03pm »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 4:03am, arimaa_master wrote:
Hmm,  
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s  
 
looks interesting but I think it is a little bit complicated and it must be carefully examined coz we can get in trouble there.
 
e.g. what to play after  
 
22w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4s Me3e  ?
 
(it threatens flip our camel to e3 and then we will be in trouble I guess).
 

 
To which we could respond  
 
22b ec4e mc3n Db4n ha4e  and gets us at least a dog hostage.  (Looks like The_Jeh beat me to this!)
 
For the other moves:
21b ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e:
leaves a vulnerable gold dog that we might have to trade camels to get.  So I'm valuing this the same as 21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s.
 
21b ed3n Dd2n Cc2e mc3s:
How do we respond to 22w Dc4s rb3n Dc3w Ec5s?
 
 
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #8 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 12:30pm »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 11:57am, The_Jeh wrote:

 
Maybe 22b ec4e mc3n Db4n ha4e. This is a dog hostage, or maybe even a forced capture if the lines are examined completely.
 

 
I am still not so sure, show me continuation after  
23w where first move is Ed3w (maybe 23w Ed3w Ce2e Mf3n Mf4e)
 
So now it looks like this:
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s
22w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4s Me3e
22b ec4e mc3n Db4n ha4e
23w Ed3w Ce2e Mf3n Mf4e
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #9 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 1:08pm »
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Hi to everyone,
 
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21b ed3n Dd2n Cc2e mc3s:  
How do we respond to 22w Dc4s rb3n Dc3w Ec5s?

 
Good question - Gold is about to take our M hostage and I don't see decent compensation for Silver.
 
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22b ec4e mc3n Db4n ha4e  and gets us at least a dog hostage.  (Looks like The_Jeh beat me to this!)
 
 
 
Hey, looks like I am the third person to discover this idea independently Smiley This move promises a lot, but we need some more analysis. I can't help much  as I am rather busy ( euphemistically speaking... ) and will be busy for the next two or three weeks. If I find some free time, I'm gonna add my 0.02 $.
 
P.S. I assume hg6e hh6w Rh5n xxxx ( dd7s? rh8s? ) is not an option, isn't it?
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #10 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 1:38pm »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 12:30pm, arimaa_master wrote:

 
I am still not so sure, show me continuation after  
23w where first move is Ed3w (maybe 23w Ed3w Ce2e Mf3n Mf4e)
 
So now it looks like this:
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s
22w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4s Me3e
22b ec4e mc3n Db4n ha4e
23w Ed3w Ce2e Mf3n Mf4e
?

 
Doesn't 23b mc4n Db5n mc5w ed4w lose material for gold? Or is he going to gain it back later?
 
If 24w Ec3e Ed3n Ed4n Ed5w then
24b ec4s ec3e Cc2n Cc3x dd7s [Chessandgo loses his cat]
Then, chessandgo is burdened by the fact that we threaten to frame his dog in the b6 trap. We also threaten immediate capture of his d2 dog. It's a bit of an overload for him, I think.
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #11 on: Jan 18th, 2008, 4:11pm »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 12:03pm, RonWeasley wrote:

21b ed3n Dd2n Cc2e mc3s:
How do we respond to 22w Dc4s rb3n Dc3w Ec5s?

Dd3w ed4s ha5s ****
it leaves us with a vague threat on his camel, and the sentinel c2 position (though after my game with mistre, perhaps this will result in our camel hostaged)
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #12 on: Jan 19th, 2008, 3:18am »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 1:38pm, The_Jeh wrote:

 
Doesn't 23b mc4n Db5n mc5w ed4w lose material for gold? Or is he going to gain it back later?
 
If 24w Ec3e Ed3n Ed4n Ed5w then
24b ec4s ec3e Cc2n Cc3x dd7s [Chessandgo loses his cat]
Then, chessandgo is burdened by the fact that we threaten to frame his dog in the b6 trap. We also threaten immediate capture of his d2 dog. It's a bit of an overload for him, I think.

 
23b mc4n Db5n mc5w ed4w - ouch, now I see, you are right, of course - so my 22w is not good - so  
 
I now support
21b ha5s ed3n Dc4w ed4w  too
 
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #13 on: Jan 19th, 2008, 9:55am »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 4:11pm, 99of9 wrote:

Dd3w ed4s ha5s ****
it leaves us with a vague threat on his camel, and the sentinel c2 position (though after my game with mistre, perhaps this will result in our camel hostaged)

99of9, I haven't looked at the specific position, but the strategic trouble with the sentinel camel is that chessandgo's horses can rumble forward without fear.  Our camel loses much of its effectiveness if it can't easily change its mind to come home and step on an encroaching horse.
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Re: Move 21
« Reply #14 on: Jan 19th, 2008, 1:26pm »
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on Jan 18th, 2008, 4:03am, arimaa_master wrote:
Hmm,  
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s  
 
looks interesting but I think it is a little bit complicated and it must be carefully examined coz we can get in trouble there.
 
e.g. what to play after  
 
22w Ec5e Ed5s Ed4s Me3e ?
 
(it threatens flip our camel to e3 and then we will be in trouble I guess).
 
 
Therefore I suggest to play:
 
21b ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e
 
securing our position and threaten to go after deserted h5 rabbit in next moves).
 
 
 
 

 
21b ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e
22w hc4w Ec5s Dd4e De4e
 
how do we continue? and how would we respond if chessando swarms on the east? overall i think our camel's current position leaves us vulnerable to an attack on the eastern side of the board if chessandgo can prevent material loss in the west
 
21b ed3n Dc4w ed4w ha5s
what if chessandgo traps our camel where it is with 22w Me3w xxxx xxxx xxxx?
i guess the three other steps would be used to begin to advance pieces on the eastern side of the board. would this be good or bad for us?
 
 
 
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