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Fritzlein
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #45 on: Jan 23rd, 2011, 10:45am » |
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OK, I finally took the plunge of doing the whole chain myself: commentate/record/convert/upload. I just followed ocmiente's instructions, and it wasn't difficult at all. Now I am embarrassed that I avoided trying it for so long. 
It appears that this round we will have fourteen of the sixteen games commentated in all. What an amazing effort by the Arimaa community! I love being a part of a community where everyone pitches in.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #46 on: Jan 23rd, 2011, 9:53pm » |
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on Jan 18th, 2011, 10:29am, Adanac wrote:| I won't be able to spend too much time on Arimaa this week. If there are still games from rounds 2 & 3 that do not have game reports by next Monday then I'll try to catch up as much as possible during week 4. |
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I did as many as I could today, but don't expect to have anymore time for writing game reports until after round 4 is finished. I think The_Jeh is writing up a report on the game he did commentary for. I don't know if anyone else is planning on writing a summary.
Here are some notes from the chatroom I copied in case anyone wants to use them in the game reports:
11:02:14 Fritzlein Oh, and I think you are dead on about 14g being the turning point of 99of9 vs. Tuks. I think gold was better until that point
05:55:52 chessandgo I think before 14g, your Horse is well placed on e5 Toby, ready to replace your E on e6. When you moved your H toward g5 and Tuks got his own horse blocking the way to e6, I think that was the turning point.
10:33:40 rabbits oh my! woh made a camel blunder, but megamau missed it!
10:36:42 rabbits 9s and 10g
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #47 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 12:20am » |
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I tried recording the audio and video for more games this round, but they didn't come out very well. The sync problem is still there. Also in some the volume did not come through. But I've uploaded them to the ftp area in case anyone wants to play around with them.
I recorded the chessandgo vs rabbits game in FLV format because that format doesn't have sync problems even through the file size comes out much bigger. I didn't want to miss this game. The FLV file is about 580 MB. I came across a really good screen recording program today and it seems to be producing small size files with good quality and synchronized audio/video. I re-recorded the chessandgo vs rabbits game and now the file is about 60 MB. I have uploaded it to the ftp area and also moved it over to the permanent area:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/videos/2011wc/R3-chessandgo-rabbits.avi
I'm glad I was able to capture this one. Hopefully the future games will be recorded correctly.
The program I am using now is called 'ZD Soft Screen Recorder'. Just google for it and download it; it has a free 30 day trial. It is very inexpensive compared to most other similar programs. So it's really worth buying. You also need to install the LAME MP3 encoder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrqFXVCrPPc
The settings I use for ZD are:
Video: Capture Selected View
frame rate: 10fps
Video Codec: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC (don't mess with the Config options)
Audio: Capture from Speaker
Audio Codec: LAME Audio Encoder
Config: constant bit rate of 16 kbps; 22.05 kHz samples per second
If anyone else is planning to help with recording the AV I would highly recommend this program. It seems to be good at keeping the audio and video in sync while producing very small files.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #48 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 4:21am » |
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Does anybody have Hippo x Naveed audio? I would like to listen it and I am not able from the avi.
... I have increased volume by AUDIOCITY (or so) by 35dB ... there are disturbing noises, but most of the talk could be understood ...
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #49 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 7:12am » |
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on Jan 24th, 2011, 12:20am, omar wrote:I recorded the chessandgo vs rabbits game in FLV format because that format doesn't have sync problems even through the file size comes out much bigger. I didn't want to miss this game. The FLV file is about 580 MB. I came across a really good screen recording program today and it seems to be producing small size files with good quality and synchronized audio/video. I re-recorded the chessandgo vs rabbits game and now the file is about 60 MB. I have uploaded it to the ftp area and also moved it over to the permanent area:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/videos/2011wc/R3-chessandgo-rabbits.avi
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Thanks for the link Omar. I have a couple of questions though:
In the Wiki, I'd like to put an audio/video link in each game's report section, just like in 2010. However, I get an error message when I try to see which files are in the directory:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/videos/2011wc/
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /arimaa/videos/2011wc/ on this server.
Even though I can't see the folder, I guessed at the URL link for the Nevermind-The_Jeh avi file. However, this link didn't work:
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/videos/2011wc/R2-Nevermind-The_Jeh.avi
Is this in the directory yet or is it under a different name? Thanks!
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #50 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 8:37am » |
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I am guessing that Omar has not copied the files over yet, and most of them are just on the ftp
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/ftp/
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #51 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 1:44pm » |
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I've been on a month long vacation so far and missed the championship 
I'll attempt to do some write-up on round-3 games and upcoming rounds.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #52 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 4:18pm » |
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on Jan 24th, 2011, 1:44pm, camelback wrote:| I'll attempt to do some write-up on round-3 games and upcoming rounds. |
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Great, thanks for chipping in!
on Jan 24th, 2011, 1:44pm, camelback wrote:| I've been on a month long vacation so far and missed the championship |
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You were vacationing somewhere with no Internet access?  But luckily the World Championship has more ways for players to participate this year, even if they missed registration. Specifically, you can listen to audio commentary and giving audio commentary. Jump on in; the water's fine.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #53 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 5:50pm » |
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Fritzlein x Hanzack.avi takes more than 5 hours, it started after the position becomes rather easy and real brodcasting ends at around 50-55 minutes. Cutting it would shorten the file significantly.
... and I could understand Fritzlein clearly and with big dificulties myself. ... I should work on it.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #54 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 9:44pm » |
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Round 4, I can give live audio on ocmiente vs. Nombril, hanzack vs. omar, and Nevermind vs. woh.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #55 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 1:23pm » |
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on Jan 24th, 2011, 9:44pm, Fritzlein wrote:| Round 4, I can give live audio on ocmiente vs. Nombril, hanzack vs. omar, and Nevermind vs. woh. |
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Updated at https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ArwwZixnxnGrdGtGeXotbHlLc1BMVUk wRWRYVm5EbGc&hl=en&authkey=CKjA3IMK#gid=3
Unfortunately the night games I would otherwise comment are starting at 2:00, 3:00 and 4:00 am. I don't think I would be awake for that.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #56 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 2:42pm » |
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Adanac, sorry I forgot to set view access for the 2011wc directory. Should be OK now.
Hippo; I messed up the audio for some of the games. I think Hippo vs naveed was one of them.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #57 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 2:58pm » |
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I've made changes on the server to implement time based delay of moves visible to the spectators.
For rated event games, the new implementation will delay the game moves by 3*T if the T parameter is available and by 2 moves (4 ply) if it is not available. Postal games will always be delayed by 2 moves. It works OK in the JavaScript and Flash V2 client. It kind of works in the Flash V1 client, but the timers are off.
Since the WC games have a maximum time per turn parameter, they will be delayed by time rather than by 2 turns. The preliminary games have T=4m so the moves of the game will appear 12 minutes after they were made. When the game ends the remaining moves don't all appear at once and continue to be time delayed.
Now we will be able to tell how long the players thought on each move. Also audio recordings can later be synced with the client running in auto-play mode.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #58 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 6:48pm » |
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There seems to be a problem with the commentary spreadsheet. The time slot 116 (for naveed vs. megamau and The_Jeh vs. chessandgo) corresponds to 1:00 Monday, but the games are scheduled a day earlier in the game room, for 1:00 Sunday. I am afraid this problem is not actually a bug in the spreadsheet, but rather a bug in the way selected time slots are converted into scheduled games in the game room.
P.S. There seems to be some kind of discontinuity around Friday, whereby games scheduled after Friday have all been moved 24 hours earlier.
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Re: 2011 WC - Commentary and Reporting
« Reply #59 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 7:24pm » |
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on Jan 25th, 2011, 2:58pm, omar wrote:I've made changes on the server to implement time based delay of moves visible to the spectators.
For rated event games, the new implementation will delay the game moves by 3*T if the T parameter is available and by 2 moves (4 ply) if it is not available. Postal games will always be delayed by 2 moves. It works OK in the JavaScript and Flash V2 client. It kind of works in the Flash V1 client, but the timers are off.
Since the WC games have a maximum time per turn parameter, they will be delayed by time rather than by 2 turns. The preliminary games have T=4m so the moves of the game will appear 12 minutes after they were made. When the game ends the remaining moves don't all appear at once and continue to be time delayed.
Now we will be able to tell how long the players thought on each move. Also audio recordings can later be synced with the client running in auto-play mode.
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Thanks Omar -- that sounds like a really great improvement, for both types of synchronization! We should remind the players when they re-enter the chatroom that if there was a close rabbit-race finish that they should keep the winner a secret.
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