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IdahoEv
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #15 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 6:43pm » |
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Swynndla is currently working on bot_bomb2005cc. I guess he decided not to start small. 
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IdahoEv
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #16 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 6:46pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2006, 6:42pm, Fritzlein wrote:| It's absurd for Bomb2005CC to play at blitz speeds and Bomb2005Blitz to play at two minutes per move, since the time control is the only thing that makes them different. |
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This is a very good point, particularly in light of requiring rated games; it could hose up the ratings of those bots.
Which has me now leaning toward allowing unrated games.
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #17 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 6:58pm » |
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Okay - rules changes in light of recent arguments:
* Unrated games are allowed, except against any Gnobby2006. Any games vs. Gnobby2006 must be rated to be considered.
* Any games begun after 17:00 PST 2006-04-20 must be played at the time scale used by that bot in the bot ladder.
(So Swynndla's current insanity vs bot_bomb2005cc is allowable).
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Swynndla
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #18 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:07pm » |
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I used that standard time limit anyway ... so don't change the rule for me .. and besides I lost already 
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #19 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:08pm » |
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won to bot_ArimaaScoreP2 in 27 playing with silver
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Swynndla
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #20 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:21pm » |
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I didn't think about upsetting a bot's rating, so I've clicked on the Urated Mode link so my 3-step games can now be unrated.
Fritzl, I still can't see how to make a bot play a game I've started anyways.
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #21 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:35pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2006, 7:21pm, Swynndla wrote:
Fritzl, I still can't see how to make a bot play a game I've started anyways. |
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When you start a bot Swynndla, it seats itself in the game room on the side you told it to, you just have to go to it and click sit to join the game then.
Or you might be trying to start a game then get a bot to join, I'm not sure what you are trying.
If you go to http://arimaa.com/arimaa/bots/index.cgi and then find your bot and hit play, then you can follow what I said above.
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #22 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:42pm » |
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What a great challenge! I'm looking forward to trying it.
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IdahoEv
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #23 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:46pm » |
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Enjoy! I have about four ideas waiting after this one.
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Swynndla
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #24 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:48pm » |
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Frostlad, yea I can start a bot and join it just like you said ... my question is how to do it the other way ... ie to start a game and then get a bot to join the game I started.
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Fritzlein
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #25 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 8:29pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2006, 7:21pm, Swynndla wrote:| Fritzl, I still can't see how to make a bot play a game I've started anyways. |
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Looks like Omar disabled this feature. Yay!
Take a look at http://arimaa.com/arimaa/bots/bot_Bomb2005CC/ . Four lines from the bottom there is a way for the developer (with password) to have the bot join an already-started game. There used to be a way for players to do the same without a password, but now it says "Players cannot have the bot join games. Please check again later or contact the developer."
So I guess the rule change doesn't matter, because the feature is no longer there anyway.
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Swynndla
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #26 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 8:44pm » |
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A potential issue ... what if someone beats a bot nicely with no more that 3 steps per move, and then someone else analyzes the end of that game in their own time, and if they work out a slightly quicker win (or even a potential quicker win), and if the bot is deterministic, then a that someone could play the exact same game, and vary at the end, and win even though they didn't do the hard work?
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Fritzlein
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #27 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 9:12pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2006, 8:44pm, Swynndla wrote:| A potential issue ... what if someone beats a bot nicely with no more that 3 steps per move, and then someone else analyzes the end of that game in their own time, and if they work out a slightly quicker win (or even a potential quicker win), and if the bot is deterministic, then a that someone could play the exact same game, and vary at the end, and win even though they didn't do the hard work? |
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I don't mind if someone rips off my idea and improves it only slightly. That will keep the contest interesting down to the wire!
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Fritzlein
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #28 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 9:15pm » |
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Game 29233 I beat Gnobot2006P1 with silver in 35 moves. I guess these low bots are much more vulnerable than I thought.
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IdahoEv
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Re: BotBasher Challenge - April 2006
« Reply #29 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 10:15pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2006, 8:44pm, Swynndla wrote:| someone could play the exact same game, and vary at the end, and win even though they didn't do the hard work? |
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If you're worried, then don't announce your win until 11:55pm on April 30th. In the meantime, hope nobody notices it in the game history. 
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