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Move 23
« on: Feb 5th, 2008, 2:17pm »
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Ok, here is Fritzlein's tree:
 
 
 
22b hg6w Rh6w hf6w Rg6w Rf6x  
.    23w Mg5w Hg3n Hg4n Hg5n  
.    .    23b ha5s ha4e df7s rf8s  
.    .    .    24w Mf5w df6s df5s Me5e  
.    .    .    .    24b ed3e mc3e rb3e hb4s  
.    .    .    24w Mf5e df6s Dc4e Ec5s  
.    .    .    .    24b ra8s ra7s ra6s ra5s  
.    .    .    .    .    25w df5s Mg5w df4s df3x Mf5s  
.    .    .    .    .    .    25b ed3e ee3n Mf4s Mf3x ee4e  
.    .    .    .    .    .    .    26w hb4n Ec4w Eb4e rb3n mc3x  
.    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    26b ef4n ef5e Hg6w Hf6x eg5n  
.    .    .    .    .    25w df5s Mg5w Rf1n Ce2n  
.    .    .    .    .    .    25b Ce3s ed3e mc3e Cc2n  
.    .    .    .    .    .    .    26w Cc3s rb3e Ha3e Rf2e  
.    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    26b ee3n he6w hd6s df4e
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #1 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 2:49pm »
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Chessandgo's move is exactly predicted. He has chosen 23w Mg5w Hg3n Hg4n Hg5n.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #2 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 3:27pm »
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Yes, he had that answer prepared...
 
Now what?
 
Perhaps:  
23b: ed3e ec3w Ce2n dd7s
 
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #3 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 7:24pm »
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Fritzlein's continuation 23b ha5s ha4e df7s rf8s looks very playable.  Notice the false protection threat against the C on c2.  This will probably force play along the lines in Fritzlein's tree.  I would expect the bottom branches to be played.  It gets very sharp, so look closely.  I still haven't decided if it's good, but I don't think it's bad.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #4 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 3:40am »
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on Feb 5th, 2008, 3:27pm, UruramTururam wrote:

Perhaps:  
23b: ed3e ec3w Ce2n dd7s

 
I don't think this sets up enough of a threat (he has a 1 step defence of the cat).
 
At the same time, it doesn't prepare us to escape being tied down defending the c3 trap.
 
If we aren't active enough, he will soon take over our f6 trap.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #5 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 3:57am »
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I fully support Fritzlein´s move 23b ha5s ha4e df7s rf8s.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #6 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 4:00am »
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I quite like
 
23b  ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e
 
Anyone got a good refutation?
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #7 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 5:52am »
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on Feb 7th, 2008, 4:00am, 99of9 wrote:
I quite like
 
23b  ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e
 
Anyone got a good refutation?

 
How about:
24w Mf5n he6s Mf6w Rf1n
 
There are alot of tactics, but I think gold at least gets his rabbit back.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #8 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 6:41am »
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23b  ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e  
. . . . 24w Mf5n he6s Mf6w Rf1n
. . . . . . . . 24b ed3e ee3n he5e mc3e
 
Now we have a threat on the cat, we are using his dog to protect our camel against his elephant, and we have are almost in position to pounce on his MH attack with our elephant.  Getting a rabbit from us will be the least of his concerns!
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #9 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 7:36am »
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on Feb 7th, 2008, 6:41am, 99of9 wrote:
23b  ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e  
. . . . 24w Mf5n he6s Mf6w Rf1n
. . . . . . . . 24b ed3e ee3n he5e mc3e
 

 
. . . . 25w hc4s Ec5s rb3n Ha3e framing our horse to our camel with the E nearby.  This appears to lead to a MH for mhr exchange that I don't like.
 
Or else gold takes our cat in a sharp continuation that looks only even at best.
 
Instead, how about 24b De4e ee3n mc3e Cc2n Cc3x?  This sets up a very sharp exchange race on c3 and f6 where we may be able to maintain our advantage.  Not sure.
[Edit] Looking more at this 24b, gold can just take the dog on f7, put a rabbit on c2, and remain up by a dog.  So I can't find a good 24b for us.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #10 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 8:53am »
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on Feb 7th, 2008, 7:36am, RonWeasley wrote:

 
. . . . 25w hc4s Ec5s rb3n Ha3e framing our horse to our camel with the E nearby.  This appears to lead to a MH for mhr exchange that I don't like.
 
Or else gold takes our cat in a sharp continuation that looks only even at best.
 
Instead, how about 24b De4e ee3n mc3e Cc2n Cc3x?  This sets up a very sharp exchange race on c3 and f6 where we may be able to maintain our advantage.  Not sure.
[Edit] Looking more at this 24b, gold can just take the dog on f7, put a rabbit on c2, and remain up by a dog.  So I can't find a good 24b for us.

 
24b ed3e Dd2n Cc2e mc3s
 
The horse frame is not so deadly now, but alot of pieces could leave the board quickly. With the camel behind the trap, a capturing race should (?) favour us due to the advanced rabbit.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #11 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 9:44am »
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Some rather raw ideas:
 
 
1.Hypothetical sharp line ( assuming that Gold goes with 24w Mf5n he6s Mf6w Rf1n after 23b ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e ):
 
24b ed3e ee3n mc3e he5e
25w Me6w Ec5n Ec6s cc7s cc6x
25b md3w hc4w mc3e Cc2n Cc3x
26w dd7w Md6n dc7s dc6x Md7w
26b md3e Dd2n Dd3w Dc3x me3w
 
Now C&G must switch to goal defense ( though the whole thing is rather complicated, with dozens dangerous deviations).
 
2. What if:
 
23b ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e
24w Mf5n he6w Mf6w Rf1n
 
In this case our horse cannot reach f5 - only our elephant can do it. he6w (instead of he6s) will hurt Silver much more imho Undecided.
 
3. Now a different kettle of fish: 24w Rh1 Rh2n Rh3n Rh4n ( or some similar move involning flank rabbit offensive ) - do you consider this answer viable for Gold and worth preparing for?
 
4. My proposals ( not examined very deeply yet, but maybe we can grow sth out of it )
 
23b ed3e ee3n ee4e mc3e
23b ed3n ed4e Dc4e mc3e
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #12 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 10:28am »
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Instead, how about 24b De4e ee3n mc3e Cc2n Cc3x?

 
Ron, you mean Dd4e ed3n..., right?
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #13 on: Feb 9th, 2008, 4:28pm »
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Hey, they have free WiFi in airports now.  I love technology!
 
on Feb 7th, 2008, 4:00am, 99of9 wrote:
I quite like
 
23b  ha5s ha4e Dc4e hb4e
 
Anyone got a good refutation?

Chessandgo doesn't need to enter a wild, sharp line.  He can use two steps to push our horse back to b4 with his elephant.  In fact, those are the same two steps he needed to defend c3 in my line, so we are just two steps short.  Maybe my last two steps aren't the best, but it seems a waste to use them pushing the dog.
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Re: Move 23
« Reply #14 on: Feb 11th, 2008, 8:10am »
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Not much discussion.  Let's vote tomorrow (Tuesday).
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