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Re: Move 36
« Reply #30 on: Jul 29th, 2008, 7:07am »
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on Jul 29th, 2008, 5:14am, jdb wrote:

 
37b dg3w rg4s rg3s df3e
 
And let the bots at it after that.

 
Bomb thinks C&G captures our horse in that line with insufficient compensation:
 
36b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s
37w Eb3e Ec3s dc4s dc3x Da3e
37b dg3w rg4s rg3s df3e
38w Ec2e hb2e Rc1e Dd4w
38b Hf1w ef2s rd5e re5e
39w He1n He2e Rd1e Rd3n
39b Re1w ef1w ee1n rf5s
40w hc2n hc3x Ed2w Ec2e Rd4n
40b Re3n ee2n ee3s ce7s
 
Bomb's 40b is really nutty (horizon effect).
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #31 on: Jul 29th, 2008, 7:31am »
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on Jul 29th, 2008, 5:10am, jdb wrote:
36b Cg3w dg2n rg6s rg5s
 
37w Eb3e Ec3s dc4s dc3x Cf3n
37b dg3w Cf4n df3n rg4s
 
There are lots of other defensive options but,
 
If the d4 dog leaves d4 and goes to hold back the rabbit, the c4 dog can go to d3.

Bomb thinks that line is losing for us:
 
36b Cg3w dg2n rg6s rg5s
37w Eb3e Ec3s dc4s dc3x Cf3n
37b dg3w Cf4n df3n rg4s
38w Ec2e hb2e hc2n hc3x Ed2w
38b ef2w Re3e Rf3x ee2n rb5e
39w Ec2e Dd4w Rd3n Ed2e
39b Cf5n Cf6x df4n ee3e ef3s
40w Ee2n Da3e Dc4w rc5s
40b ef2e eg2w Rg1n rh7s
41w Rc1e Rd1e Hf1e Re1e
41b ef2w df5s rg3w rf3s
42w Rg2n Hg1n rf2n Hg2w
42b ee2w Hf2w ed2n rd5w
43w Ra2e Rb2e Rb1e He2e
43b ed3w Db3w ec3w rc8w
44w Ee3n Ee4s df4w rf3x Ee3w
 
I haven't analyzed your 36b much, but I currently like the 36b that pushes the cat east  better.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #32 on: Jul 29th, 2008, 10:18am »
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Just so you know, I'm going on holiday beginning Saturday and returning a week from the following Monday.  I might see some quidditch in Beijing (I won't be going to the muggle games).  I will hand over moderatorship to a volunteer during that time.  Fritzlein did it last time.  Volunteers for this time?  Fritzlein again?
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #33 on: Jul 29th, 2008, 10:41am »
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Sorry, I'm giving priority to the continuous tournament.  Other volunteers?
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #34 on: Jul 30th, 2008, 7:43am »
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on Jul 29th, 2008, 10:18am, RonWeasley wrote:
Just so you know, I'm going on holiday beginning Saturday and returning a week from the following Monday.  I might see some quidditch in Beijing (I won't be going to the muggle games).  I will hand over moderatorship to a volunteer during that time.  Fritzlein did it last time.  Volunteers for this time?  Fritzlein again?

I will also be on vacation next week.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #35 on: Jul 30th, 2008, 8:09pm »
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on Jul 26th, 2008, 10:16am, Fritzlein wrote:

36b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s
.    37w Dd4e De4e Rc1n Rd3n
.    .    37b ef2n Df4n ef3n dc4n
.    .    .    38w Eb3e hb2n Ec3n hb3e hc3x
.    .    .    .    38b Df5n Df6x ef4n ef5s dc5n

 
If he replies with 39w Hf1n Hf2n dg3s Hf3e, are we really winning? We would be up materially rcd for H, but with our dog hostage I don't see us with a big advantage.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #36 on: Jul 30th, 2008, 8:57pm »
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I am happy to moderate if you send instructions.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #37 on: Jul 31st, 2008, 7:41am »
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on Jul 30th, 2008, 8:09pm, warren wrote:
If he replies with 39w Hf1n Hf2n dg3s Hf3e, are we really winning? We would be up materially rcd for H, but with our dog hostage I don't see us with a big advantage.

Yes, I feel pretty good about our chances in this line.  The fight for control of f3 with our ED against his HCRR is likely to favor us, because we have the strongest local piece.  If chessandgo pushes too hard, he could end up giving a horse hostage rather than taking a dog hostage.  For example
 
39g Hf1n Hf2n dg3s Hf3e
39s rg4e ef4e eg4w Hg3n
40g rh4n Ch3n Hg4s xxxx
40s ef4e Hg3e eg4s dg2w
 
and our lead has increased.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #38 on: Jul 31st, 2008, 12:09pm »
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on Jul 30th, 2008, 8:57pm, 99of9 wrote:
I am happy to moderate if you send instructions.

 
I have sent instructions to 99of9.  I will resume moderatorship on Aug. 11.  Thanx!
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #39 on: Aug 1st, 2008, 7:40pm »
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I hereby support a voice vote for 36b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s .
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #40 on: Aug 2nd, 2008, 6:00am »
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You're right warren, we should get moving.  I've had a bit of a look at our position tonight, but didn't find anything spectacular.  So at the moment I'm also in favour of Fritz's move.
 
Do others want to put in a voice vote?  If so, speak now, otherwise I'll put up a vote in 36 hours (unless I hear objections), so put your candidates forward.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #41 on: Aug 2nd, 2008, 7:50am »
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on Jul 27th, 2008, 3:28pm, warren wrote:
After
36b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s
a better way for him to kill our dog is
37w Eb3e Ec3s dc4s dc3x Da3e

I finally set this position up.  It's a very fine tactical point that if the gold elephant ends on c2 after capturing our dog, it watches the d-file, so the d3-rabbit and d4-dog can both defend the f3-trap on 38g.  This somewhat undercuts the advantage I was hoping we could get.  However, if we don't make the tactical inaccuracy of putting our rabbit on f4 on 37b, we still come out all right, for example:
37b ef2n ef3s Re3e Rf3x ce7s
38w Dd4e De4e Rd3e Rc1e
38b ef2n Df4n ef3n ra8s
 
We end up with CRR for H, a slight material advantage, and a very playable position.  We are not crushing chessandgo by any means, though, which opens the possibility that we may have better than 36b Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s.
 
I'm content to take what appears to be small, sure advantage, or wait for further discussion if that's what people want.
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #42 on: Aug 2nd, 2008, 9:23am »
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I'm currently in the middle of my holiday and I think I won't be able to deliver a lot of analysis to this thread. Delaying the decision by 36 hours looks like a sensible idea - maybe we are missing something better than our current favourite? What about Cg3e dg2n dc4n rg6s? Or Cg3n dg2n Cg4n dg3n?
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #43 on: Aug 2nd, 2008, 12:06pm »
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on Jul 29th, 2008, 7:31am, warren wrote:

Bomb thinks that line is losing for us:
 
36b Cg3w dg2n rg6s rg5s
37w Eb3e Ec3s dc4s dc3x Cf3n
37b dg3w Cf4n df3n rg4s
38w Ec2e hb2e hc2n hc3x Ed2w
38b ef2w Re3e Rf3x ee2n rb5e
39w Ec2e Dd4w Rd3n Ed2e
39b Cf5n Cf6x df4n ee3e ef3s
40w Ee2n Da3e Dc4w rc5s
40b ef2e eg2w Rg1n rh7s
41w Rc1e Rd1e Hf1e Re1e
41b ef2w df5s rg3w rf3s
42w Rg2n Hg1n rf2n Hg2w
42b ee2w Hf2w ed2n rd5w
43w Ra2e Rb2e Rb1e He2e
43b ed3w Db3w ec3w rc8w
44w Ee3n Ee4s df4w rf3x Ee3w
 
I haven't analyzed your 36b much, but I currently like the 36b that pushes the cat east  better.

 
How about this instead:
 
36b Cg3w dg2n rg6s rg5s
37w Eb3e Ec3s dc4s dc3x Cf3n
37b rg4e rh4s Hf1w ef2s
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Re: Move 36
« Reply #44 on: Aug 3rd, 2008, 8:56pm »
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Since the posts are still flowing, I'll delay another 30 hours because it sounds like this is another important decision.  Keep talking!  We are likely to build our time back up if we get into a capture cascade.
 
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By the way, my current list for vote is:
Cg3e dg2n rg6s rg5s (Fritz)
Cg3w dg2n rg6s rg5s (jdb)
Cg3e dg2n dc4n rg6s (Soter)
Cg3n dg2n Cg4n dg3n (Soter)
 
I removed those from UT, AM, and Warren because they have all suggested that they now favour another.
 
If I've missed your favourite from the list, let me know asap.
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