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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #105 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 7:49pm » |
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Awesome analysis Karl. Thanks for sharing this with us. It was really neat following this game with your analysis.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #106 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 5:24am » |
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Seems according the score system for postal mixer I won the uphill battle and my game against The_Jeh lost on 12g will last 60 turns. I hope John was not bored too much by this and it was in the postal mixer spirit  .
I am not sure I would make such an effort to other lost games.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #107 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 8:44am » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2010, 5:24am, Hippo wrote:| Seems according the score system for postal mixer I won the uphill battle and my game against The_Jeh lost on 12g will last 60 turns. I hope John was not bored too much by this and it was in the postal mixer spirit . |
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Apparently ever since I won a rabbit against The_Jeh, he has been in delaying mode. I am scarcely better off now than I was a month ago, even though I haven't been in any danger either. Perhaps you will sleep better knowing that what comes around goes around.
Fighting to the death is very much in the spirit of the Postal Mixer. Not only is there satisfaction just from playing hard, there is also always the possibility that your opponent will slip. If I blunder on turn 87, allowing The_Jeh to come back and win on turn 113, his tenacity will have been well-rewarded!
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #108 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 11:41am » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2010, 8:44am, Fritzlein wrote:
Fighting to the death is very much in the spirit of the Postal Mixer. |
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I thought that actually went for Arimaa in general, since people are discouraged from resigning?
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #109 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 11:54am » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2010, 11:41am, rbarreira wrote:| I thought that actually went for Arimaa in general, since people are discouraged from resigning? |
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True, but in the Postal Mixer you get points for fighting to the death. The prize money used to be distributed according to the number of points (not the number of victories), which initiated a tradition of hanging on for as many moves as possible. Perhaps nowadays the points are a less of a motivator because there is no prize money.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #110 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 1:21pm » |
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I don't understand the denigration of resigning. As a chess player, it seems far more honourable to resign a lost position than play on tediously, hoping for an opponent to slip up.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #111 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 1:50pm » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2010, 1:21pm, speek wrote:| I don't understand the denigration of resigning. As a chess player, it seems far more honourable to resign a lost position than play on tediously, hoping for an opponent to slip up. |
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I think it should be more of a personal thing. You should resign if/because you don't want to play anymore, not because you don't want to force the other guy to play.
Waiting for an opponent to slip up seems fine by me, after all you probably got into the lost position due to your own slip up. Just because you slipped up first doesn't mean you should throw away the game if you think the other guy might blunder.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #112 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 5:09pm » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2010, 11:54am, Fritzlein wrote:
True, but in the Postal Mixer you get points for fighting to the death. The prize money used to be distributed according to the number of points (not the number of victories), which initiated a tradition of hanging on for as many moves as possible. Perhaps nowadays the points are a less of a motivator because there is no prize money.
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Not exactly ... you get points for fighting to the 60th turn . Which I am interpretting as the turning point good enough for resignation. (John let me chose to selfmate on 60 or to be killed on 61. It seems to me he missed goal in 2 at leasst on 59g.)
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #113 on: Sep 7th, 2010, 4:01pm » |
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Seems "winner" of the postal mixer didn't played Fritzlein
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #114 on: Sep 7th, 2010, 10:55pm » |
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on Sep 7th, 2010, 4:01pm, Hippo wrote:| Seems "winner" of the postal mixer didn't played Fritzlein |
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Who are you declaring Winner? Fritz elected to play 11 games instead of the 10 games that Chris and I picked... that could very will be the edge needed to get the largest win-lose. And the bots have the most points. (Interesting to note that Clueless had a better win record, but Opfor had lasted longer so has more points.) And if you are looking at me, I think my remaining games are not decided, very close in 2, and behind in 1. But I will certainly be stubborn and try to win a few more...
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #115 on: Sep 8th, 2010, 12:33am » |
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I am just kidding to remember the mixer is still on .
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #116 on: Sep 8th, 2010, 6:30am » |
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Ah, I see. There is a certain kind of stamina to play so many postal games!
After starting with 60 days, it almost feels like there is some time pressure now as the reserve is disappearing.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #117 on: Sep 8th, 2010, 6:37am » |
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I have reached point where thinking about postal mixer games is meaningless about two weeks ago ... so I do not have problems with reserve time now . But it was tense in the end of july (when I had some hopes in Adanac and Fritzlein games).
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #118 on: Sep 11th, 2010, 6:50pm » |
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So welcome next undefeated player ... really impresive.
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Re: 2010 Postal Mixer
« Reply #119 on: Oct 8th, 2010, 1:13am » |
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I see that clueless triumphed in both of its games against woh, for nine wins on the tournament. That makes for a new bot postal performance record. Congratulations, jdb!
Bot . Year Record Postal Performance
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Bomb 2005 4-6 1716
Zombie 2007 1-14 1409
Sharp 2008 1-8 1568
OpFor 2008 8-9 2060
OpFor 2009 3-7 1798
OpFor 2010 6-8 1848
Clueless 2010 9-7 2072
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